Sjogren's disease

2007-07-31 22:23:54

Re: the article on Sjogren's posted by Mark Holmes
Thank you, Mark. These warnings to women are very real. IMO, we often
underestimate the long-term consequences of Sjogren's. But, you know that I
have **got** to pick on the article a little bit -- My favorite sentence is:
"No cure exists for the syndrome." Uhhhhhhh...then how come my SSA blood
work (test for Sjogren's) went from 127 out of 140 points (highly positive)
to less than zero (negative) after 8 months on oral minocycline??? And I am
happy to report that my teeth are no longer rotting out of my head, I was
able to walk outside during pollen season, and the moisture level in mucous
membranes is slowly returning to normal.
So - if anybody out there has Sjogren's, please know that the AP **does**
work. This was the first of my blood work to return to normal...and I'm
telling everyone who has ears about it.
Blessings,
Linda C.
scleroderma (MCTD) 10 years, AP 11 months

PEROXIDE BATHS

2007-07-31 07:22:36

Can this solution be used effectively in an an outdoor hot tub? Would the
peroxide/salts work okay with the chemicals already in the water?
I am not able to sit down in a bathtub- I am in awe of all of you that can!
Would it work to pour over yourself in a shower?
Thanks,
Carol*

Thank you and set-back

2007-07-31 02:04:46

Hello everyone.
I wanted to thank you for all your help about the starting dose. You really
were there for me and that makes such a difference with this horrid disease!
I started on a Tuesday, but by Wednesday I was felled by the worst sinus
infection in America. I never get sick, but this time I really did it, and
am on 10 days of Cefzil, (5 to go), another antibiotic, and doc said no
minocin. So the timetable is set back and I'm disappointed.
But what worries me more is that I think I have GERD (acid reflux) which I
have put off treating and now I know this can lead to bad things and must
takecare of it.
AND THE BUMMER IS....all the meds seem to interfere with the absorbtion of
tetra-cyclines. So do I choose RA or a possible case of erosive acid reflux
which can lead to cancer ( G-d forbid!) in 10% of untreated disease!
A question for you guys.................Does anyone know how to take minocin
and treat this with the meds you need? I'll have to consult with doctor.
But I think he'll suggest Prilosic which blocks acid which I think we need to
break down and absorb the Minocin.
If I think about it too much, I'll scream! I feel frustrated. But there
must be a way to treat both. I am determined. Is anyone here on anti-ulcer
meds and anitbiotics too.
Advice, someone.
Sorry I haven't been around much. I've been in bed for a week with this
infection.
Now, I'm leaving to visit family in Florida. That will be a nice break then
back to the real world.
That's when I'll start Minocin again, then see a doc re: acid reflux.
Wish me luck, and I'll be back on-line when I return Monday.
I hope you all are feeling good andhave a good weekend.
Hope to join the chat soon when time permits.
Warmest Regards and mucho thanks.
Susan

Red on inside of knuckles

2007-07-30 23:19:50

Hi group, Maria here. I guess this is more directed towards the
Dermatomyositis sufferers and Scleroderma sufferers in this group, but others
may have this as well. With DM I get the traditional rash on the knuckles
and joints. However, lately my rash has been on the INSIDE of my knuckles,
where my finger bends. It's kind of dry and crackley and I'm afraid it'll
start opening up and bleeding. So far no bleeding, just a little pain. Any
idea what I can do for it? Lotion doesn't seem to be helping, and I wash my
hands so often during the day that whatever I put on, I wash off. Maybe
gloves and lotion at night? What type of lotion? Thanks all!

MSM

2007-07-30 20:58:57

Group,
Alot of people have written me and asked about the MSM. I found three
webpages that might help everyone out.
http://aaamsm.com/
http://www.worldimage.com
http://www.pennysaved.com
jan perdue

SOYBEANS GOOD FOR BONE HEALTH

2007-07-30 10:51:35

SOYBEANS GOOD FOR BONE HEALTH
Eating soybeans and fermented soybean products is good for your bones.
Japanese researchers reported that people consuming soybean products had
stronger bones and less calcium loss than those whose diet was low in
soybeans.
Soybean products are fairly high in calcium and they also have a
considerable amount of vitamin K, which is essential for bone formation.
For more information about osteoporosis and vitamin K see
http://www.nydocs.com/newsltr/nl_010199.htm

Ethel

2007-07-30 00:07:01

Hi Ethel and group
My husband, Ray, has been having misc wrist and ankle joint problems so
I had him get a RA test it came back positive for RA, but the Dr said it
wasn't bad enough to do anything about yet!!!!! GRRR This is the Dr I
get AP from but he took the opportunity of Ray's test to suggest I go
back on mtx(he got two shot in me when I was first diagnosed). Anyway I
don't know the RA factor just that it was positive. I think he should
go on minocin asap, do you agree? He has a appt in two weeks I have
encouraged Ray to read The Arthritis Breakthrough. This might be a good
time to give a update on me--I started AP 11/98 and lately I have been
feeling soooo good I still have some minor swelling here and there and
some sore spots, but most of my joints feel positively lubricated it's
amazing.
Thanks Julie

Sjogren's

2007-07-29 23:14:59

Of interest to women -
http://www.salonmagazine.com/health/log/1999/04/27/sjogren_syndrome/index.html
Mark
http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes
RA 4/98 AP 7/98
Minocycline (Lederle generic) 100mg 2x/day; Lodine 400mg 3x/day
RA Chat - http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes/RA/ra.html

Dr. Stuart Weg's pain management protocol

2007-07-29 19:07:17

Dear group,
Dr. Stuart Weg has joined us and has offered his pain management protocol
for
our web page. Some of the suggestions here may help some of you with a lot
of
pain.
Chris.

Chocolate calcium chews

2007-07-29 05:56:26

I found that chocolate fudge calcium supplement we were chatting about awhile
ago at KMart today. The one I found is called Viactiv soft calcium chews, mfg by
Mead Johnson, OTC, $6.99 for 60 chews, Each one contains 500mg Calcium (CACO3),
100IU Vitamin D3, 40mcg Vit K1, 10mg sodium; comes in milk chocolate or
mochacchino. The bad news is it contains sugar and nonfat milk, 3g sugars
(sugar and corn syrup) per chew. They have a website for it, www.viactiv.com and
a # at 800-247-7893 for questions or comments. I was a bad girl--I got some,
figuring that the benefits of the calcium will outweigh the downside of the
sugar. At least that's how I justified the chocolate indulgence <G
conscience!! Liz G

Newspaper story about ms

2007-07-28 23:42:16

One of our group sent this story from the April 26th Chicago Sun-Times,
page 54, that might be of interest to some of you.

Good Morning America

2007-07-28 21:33:10

Group,
This morning on ABC Good Morning America they had James Coburn on and he
told about using MSM to control his RA. He was asked what all he had
used and he told of all the drugs, accupuncture, and numerous other
things that weren't working for him until he found MSM. He said that
within 5 days he was almost painfree. He recommends it highly. He
tells everyone about it. I've been using it for about a month now and it
has been a miracle for me. I had been having problems with my one leg,
especially my knee, for over a year and it wasn't getting any better.
Someone on the list starting telling about the MSM (I think it was Joe
Graff) and I thought I would have nothing to lose. It has been
miraculous. The swelling has gone way down and I have very little pain!
They also had their resident doctor Dr. Nancy Snyderman and she told
about the new drugs on the market. The Cox-2(Celebrex etc.)inhibitors
and Enbrel and Arava. She did not recommend one way or the other either
one of these. She would only say to work with your doctor to find the
drug for you. It would be nice if someday they would tell about using
antibiotics. We've written to them before and apparently it just hasn't
sunk in!!!
jan perdue

finally saw the rheumatologist today

2007-07-28 13:13:03

I finally got in to see the rheumatologist today. She said my hip is
bursitis and gave me a cortizone shot. She said my joints in my hands
were hot but not swollen. She seemed unimpressed with the positive
rheumatoid factor (96), and ordered another sed rate and a crp (c
reactive protein). She is familiar with the antibiotic therapy and I
expect that as long as all test results as expected, I'll get to start
it.
Can you tell me more about the sed rate and crp and what the results
mean?
I'm a little disappointed because I wanted to start AP asap. But at
least hopefully the hip will feel better soon.
So for now I'm still on ice packs/heating pads and celebrex.
Valerie
--
PLEASE NOTE: New email address. Sorry for any inconvenience.

AP started today...

2007-07-28 06:48:20

Hi, Folks...
Well it is today I started the AP, 100 mg Doxy X 10 days Then 100mg.
M.W.F. Did Deb or was it Saraha who said hang on if there is a Herx..? We will
see...George

With enough aspirin

2007-07-28 04:07:46

mholmes@... thought you would be interested in this article at
Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/).
Your friend's message:
You'll all enjoy this article. Courtesy of one of the best web sites on the
Net. I'm sure you'll identify with the story.
Mark
http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes

off topic--shingles

2007-07-27 19:20:10

My sister-in-law's friend has Parkinson's and has just developed shingles.
Does anyone have any information about dealing with the pain of shingles?
He certainly had enough to deal with before this.
Thanks for your help. Linda

AS/Reiter's..difference?

2007-07-27 14:41:46

Hello all,
I was just wondering how one can tell the difference between
Anklosing Spondylitis and Reiter's/reactive arthritis?
I have hip, sacriolic and heel pain that comes and goes, but I
hear both of these conditions affect these areas in particular.
Would appreciate any info.
Thanks,
Kyla

I'm Back

2007-07-27 14:35:22

Hello Everybody,
I just resubscribed to the Group after a long absence. I crashed my P.C.
last August and because of one thing or another just haven't gotten back on.
Modem problems, etc. and of course this cursed disease.
When the mail starts coming, I'm sure I'll recognize a lot of old faces, I
mean screen names, and will welcome new ones as well. Up to this point I
just was not up to reading the plethora of mail in my box. I have given up
one job (so to speak) I am no longer President of our Computer Club here, so
at least dont' have that extra work on my mind every month. One less thing
to think about.
This is probably not a good time for me to come back on because I am really
in the pits with this RA. Matter of fact I have been seriously considering
going back on Mtx and Enbrel if my Dr. could get a special consideration from
the HMO.
I am just getting worse and worse. Then I called a radio station yesterday
and "Asked the Doc." He was appalled that I was on 4mg of Prednisone daily.
Paid no attention to my mention of Minocin. I had asked a question about
osteoporosis (of which I'm now boderline). Wanted to know if any walking in
a pool would be bone building. (He didn't answer that either.) I do swim
laps 3 and 4 times a week but of course that does not build bone.
So could anyone please tell me how they are doing after over a year on the
AP? I am currently taking 4mg Pred, Aleve 4 per day, Cytotec, an absolute
must, as my stomach really gets angry when I quit. Then the Fosamax for the
bones, which I just hate to do.
Just read Joe's testimony and it sure is encouraging but for the past 2 years
my shoulders have been so bad I think they will just fall out of the sockets
soon. R. Knee bad, and shaping differently now than the left. So painful
all over during the night and in the mornings I have to get up to stop the
pain. Whenever I am inactive for any length of time I stiffen up like a
board.
See, I told you I shouldn't have resubcribed or written tonight, I knew I
would start complaining. LOL. Sorry :(
Cya all, Anita
RA 26 years, AP 15 months

article on arthritis

2007-07-27 00:10:47

Here is a link for an article on arthritis with a good description of the
pathology involved in the different forms, complete with pictures:
http://edcenter.med.cornell.edu/CUMC_PathNotes/Skeletal/Joint_02.html

Iron poor blood

2007-07-26 22:42:59

Hello everyone,
I'm back from the surgery, doing okay. My dr. is concerned however about
my CBC (blood count) though. I am usually at 10. something, but it has
recently gone down to first 9.87, then 10.3, and at last check a week ago at
9.83. I thought it was getting back to normal for me, but it went down again
instead.
Dr. asked me if I felt faint, or dizzy. No. I feel no differently than
ususal which is chronically fatigued with the RA anyway. I am rarely over 10
something when I get blood work done anyway. My seds been at 85 for the last
two yrs. or so, but last week was 66 which is lower than its been in a long
time.
Question group....Any suggestions on what to eat, drink or do to help the
iron poor blood??? I know that taking iron does not do any good for cases
like this and will only constipate me. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
One more question: For those of you on clindy. or Zithromax. What is the
dose you have been prescribed and do you take it on the off days of mino??
My drs. are totally clueless on the AP, although certainly willing to learn.
(The GP's that is, NOT the rheumy!!!).
Thank you for your time you guys, dont know what I would do without
reading from the group. I've been on mino for almost two yrs without much
change, but I'm not giving up.
HUGS:)
Carol Scott**

Another virus

2007-07-26 20:47:34

Guess I'll have to turn my computer off tomorrow because of that CIH virus.
The news said it made [The Melissa] (is that right?) virus look like
nothing. I dont trust my antivirus program to be up to date and am not sure
how to download another one for tomorrow, so its off for me, darn it:(((
California Carol**
HUGS:)
Carol^^

a diet factor in RA

2007-07-26 12:42:32

Here is an article I found posted on a newsgroup which may help explain the
problem with wheat in RA, from a British medical journal:
www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/318/7190/1023 The part about RA is about halfway
down the article.

macolides

2007-07-26 03:17:11

I think I should mention that when my doc went to the New York
convention one of the things I asked him was did they talk about using
macolides. He gave me a totally blank look and said no. So thats a
biggie that is not even in the updated protocol "yea for our side!!!'
Cooky

dog eye drops

2007-07-25 21:47:14

You could go to the vets office and tell em you have a dog with dry eyes and buy
the drops. I buy a small tube of
opthamologic ointment there and keep on hand at all times for use in eyes of
animals and myself if scratched or
irritated. I know I have saved myself a lot of expensive visits to the eye
doctor from scratching an eye when working
outside.
Sarah
--
Clark Signs:
http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/
Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

Biaxin dose??

2007-07-25 12:50:24

Ok,
I've looked everywhere and no dosage is mentioned for Biaxin.
How do these newer macrolide antibiotics work on our mycoplasmas and what is the
recommended dose for the AP? Is it as effective as Minocin as an alternative
??
Does Biaxin act the same as tetracycline based antibiotics in that it does not
mutate the cell walls causing an immune strain?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Donna
Ottawa, Canada
Scleroderma, Raynaud's 01/95, AP 10/97
(My Story) www.compmore.net/~donray

diarrhea/Zithro

2007-07-25 08:40:30

Hello group,
What a lovely subject title, huh? Anyway , those who also have trouble
with the diarrhea and zithromax, I found that if I take my full doseage of
acidophillus ( Dr, Franco has me on 6 caps a day) about four hours before
the zithro I don't have the diarrhea. If I take it afterwards, I do. This
has been the case in two instances so I feel it is the beforehand dose of
the acidohillus that is helping the situation.
Leslie

fw: Dr. Chiu:Parotid/sjogrens

2007-07-25 04:15:04

If one is experiencing, like myself, swollen parotid gland is it wise to get
an ultrasound of the area to see if cysts, or tumors are present? Even though I
have rheumatoid, I would think as you said sjogrens is see in RA patients,
however, just wanted to be sure because of possible lymphatic involvement which
could or could not be linked to lymphoma or whatever... Thank you so much for
your comment and help concerning parotid swelling, etc. No doctor except one
even hinted toward an answer, until the ENT that said RA was most likely cause
of my parotid swelling and then your putting a name to it. Martha Smith from St.
Aug. I appreciate your input.

Check out Searle Responds to Journal Report On Celebrex Side Effects

2007-07-24 23:36:01

<A HREF="http://www.docguide.com/P.nsf/InterstitialOne?OpenForm&new"
here: Searle Responds to Journal Report On Celebrex Side Effects
</A

Hormones and auto-immune diseases

2007-07-24 14:58:21

There is an article on hormones and auto-immune diseases at
www.aarda.org click on the articles from newsletter icon, then look for
Hormones & Autoimmunity. Liz G

question on BB

2007-07-24 14:48:11

Someone has a question about some side effects with Enbrel. Anyone got any info
on this?
http://209.207.141.196/bbs1/signpunk/messages/65.sht
Sarah
--
Clark Signs:
http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/
Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

More clind questions

2007-07-24 08:59:57

Hi group-
Just a few more Clind. questions. I've contacted an out patient facility
about doing IVs and they said they will do them or if I prefer they will
teach me to self admister......I was under the impression IVs had to be done
by a qualified health care provider or RN. They also say they can run the
Clind. in less of a solution (150cc or less) so I can use a pump of some
sort instead of drip bag. Supposedly there won't be any vascular discomfort
because they ballance the Ph of the Drug. Then they say they can use spring
water instead of dextrose or saline. Any one know about this or is this
just common knowledge?? Best wishes and thanks--Scott

Joke - vet fee

2007-07-23 18:41:15

hope you enjoy
A man took his dog to a Vet, and the Vet said, "I think he is dead".
The man said, "I don't believe it, he was alive just an hour ago: can't you
run some tests?"
The Vet brought in a golden Lab dog who walked around the man's dog and
barked and sniffed with no response.
"Are you sure", said the man and the Vet brought in a cat which did the same
inspection as the dog-- no response!.
So the man said, "I guess he is dead, how much do I owe you?"
The Vet said, "$500.00".
"Why?" asked the man.
The Vet replied, "my fee is only $50.00... the rest is for the Lab test and
the Cat Scan"

thanks for prayer

2007-07-23 17:40:42

Group, I just got from the hospital and cannot type too good without
looking down-which I'm not supposed to do-but i just want to take a
minute to thank all of you for the prayers and kind words. The dr. said
everything turned out o.k. and I didn't have to have a halo. I am
feeling no arthritis pain right now because they gave me 100mgs
hydrocortisone before surgery, more after and today I am taking 30mgs
and working down to 10 daily until I can go back to other meds. Thanks
again all,Love Helen

Clinamycin,Ethel, Dr.Chui, Group?

2007-07-23 10:41:02

Hi Everyone,
I need some advice. I have been on the AP since Oct. 1998. I had
Clindamycin IV's in December 1998 - one week as follows: 300, 300,
300, 600, 600 followed by 10 weeks at 600 once per week. Currently I
am on Biaxin 250 mg. B.I.D., MWF. I am planning to do another
series of IV's a week from now building up to 900 mg. I'm
wondering whether I should start at 300 again (300,300, 600,600,900)
or whether I can start at 600 and build to 900 - OR should I try
to go higher than the 900? My Doc will pretty much do as I request.
My Kidney Doc says Clindamycin is not bad for the kidneys.
Heather
Systemic Sclerosis with Renal Crisis -Feb. 1998

neuropathy link

2007-07-23 05:19:48

http://www.neuro.wustl.edu/neuromuscular/nother/toxic.htm
--
Clark Signs:
http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/
Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

medical search engine

2007-07-23 04:48:11

http://www.mwsearch.com/
--
Clark Signs:
http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/
Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

Colloidal Silver

2007-07-22 16:53:20

I am new on the mailing list here. I see that this list has
to do with using antibiotics for treating autoimmune diseases.
I was wondering if anyone knows about how good colloidal
silver is as an antibiotic. I've read a lot about it here and there
and on the net. Whatever I read indicates that it should be a
pretty good and safe antibiotic. Could this be effective against
the kind of infection that could cause rheumatoid arthritis or
other autoimmune diseases?
Richard Ausili
roausili@...

vibrating

2007-07-22 14:41:29

Sensory neuropathy is one of the side effects of the drug Levaquin. When I
looked up info on the net I found some people
who got it after just a couple days on the drug and it didnt go away when they
got off of it.
Sarah
--
Clark Signs:
http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/
Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

vibrating

2007-07-21 23:31:32

Not sure Id call it vibrating but I get spells where I am super sensitive to
noise and certain kinds give a weird
feeling. Also will have vision sensitivity. There are some people who are
extremely sensitive to electrical current
running thru their house. Somewhere on the supportlinks page is a link to
environmental allergies or something on that
order about electrical sensitivities.
Sarah
--
Clark Signs:
http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/
Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

hormones and RA

2007-07-21 23:18:44

I am interested in finding out if levels of female hormones could affect RA
symptoms, and am thinking of having my estrogen and progesterone levels tested.
Has anyone here had this done, and if so , how is it tested and about what do
you think it would cost? Thanks in advance, Liz G

Bone Density

2007-07-21 20:00:24

Yes you have to go to the hospital and they do a special type of xray on your
spine. If you are on medicare or medicaid
its covered.
Sarah
--
Clark Signs:
http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/
Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

Dr CHIU: Lifecycle of Mycoplasma

2007-07-21 08:28:55

Dr,
All joking aside, is there any evidence or thought to the concept of
attracting mycoplasma out of their host cells at or just prior to
administration of the antibiotics?
--
Regards,
Geoff Crenshaw, ACC

maple syrup

2007-07-21 05:25:01

Does anyone known if pure maple syrup a good substitute for sugar?
Thanks,
Shar from Connecticut

New article about bacteria in human disease

2007-07-21 02:38:49

Here's another article about our favourite little friends:
http://www.latimes.com/CNS_DAYS/990422/t000036141.html
-------
Regards, Dr Graham Chiu
Prospective Internet Observational Study in Arthritis
Home Page http://www.compkarori.com/arthritis/
Contribute at http://www.compkarori.com/arthritis/contrib.htm
Data Entry at http://www.compkarori.com/cgi-local/piosa.cgi

state of health care 2

2007-07-20 19:12:57

Probe expands in used needle scare
April 23, 1999
Web posted at: 11:32 a.m. EDT (1532 GMT)
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) -- A
California lab technician who admitted
drawing patients' blood with used
hypodermic needles may have also
reused other disposable lab
equipment, officials said Thursday.
After warning some 3,600 patients of
the Palo Alto, California clinic to take
AIDS and hepatitis tests, health
investigators said they were now
looking into charges that the technician also reused
glass pipettes and slides
and did not always wear latex medical gloves while
working.
They were also examining records at other area clinics
known to have
employed the technician to see if more people should
be warned to take fresh
blood tests.
"We know for sure that she has worked in many other
labs. The question is to
what degree, if any, did she put other people at
risk," said Dr. Martin
Fenstersheib of the Santa Clara County Health
Department.
"Our first concern was to notify the public so that we
could make sure that
nobody was harmed in any way," Fenstersheib said. "We
also want to make
sure that this doesn't happen again."
The newly reported problems with used slides and
pipettes at the Palo Alto
clinic run by Anglo-U.S. drug maker SmithKline Beecham
carry no direct health
risks for patients, but could have resulted in skewed
blood test results, faulty
diagnosis and improper treatment.
But Fenstersheib said there was a clear pattern of
improper behavior by the
woman, who has not been formally charged with any
crime.
"Totally unacceptable, no excuse, there's no reason
for this under anybody's
guideline," he said.
Both police and health officials have mounted separate
investigations of the
incidents, while lawyers this week filed a class
action lawsuit naming both
SmithKline Beecham and the former lab employee.
The problem came to light after a colleague saw the
technician reuse a needle
on March 22. During a subsequent investigation, the
worker acknowledged
repeatedly reusing needles to draw blood from patients
with veins that were
difficult to access.
According to officials, the technician reused needles
after washing them with
water and hydrogen peroxide -- a mixture that can kill
some, but not all,
blood-borne pathogens. Later, witnesses reported
seeing her reuse slides,
mislabel blood samples and repeatedly use pipettes
without cleaning them.
The lab, one of a number of small offices where blood
is drawn before it is
transported to larger laboratories for processing, is
not connected with any
blood bank.
SmithKline Beecham officials have declined to comment,
saying it was
company policy not to discuss pending litigation. They
have also declined to
provide any details about the worker beyond saying
that she had no prior
performance problems while at SmithKline Beecham.
--
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http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/
Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

Olive leaf extract

2007-07-20 08:31:11

Hi Gang, I noticed that when I started taking " Olive leaf extract" I
got a bad flare. I was doing great untill then.It says it kills
Microgranisms. If so, then maybe it's a good sign that it's working. Has
anyone else had this happen to them?.Take care, Yoly!!!

Bone test

2007-07-20 07:18:38

Hi Denise, How can he do this Bone test. Does he have the machine like
the clinics have. As far as I know insurance will pay for the test. I
don't see how he can do it over the net. You have to be put on a machine
that x-rays your bones. Please be careful and check this out before you
spend money. Regards, Yoly!!

health consult

2007-07-20 03:52:29

Group,
I called my pharmacist to see if he had any thoughts on my ears and
vibrating body. He told me about a pharmacist who has a drug store and
health and wellness center.
I called him. He has a 25 page form to fill out and then he tells
you his recommendations. He said there are alot of new things.
Mentioned probiotics.
He is going to email me about Calcium. He does bone density,too.
Of course, I can't get there so we will do it by mail and telephone.
When I have the money.
The bad part, for me, is that it cost $125. I can't do that, unless
I went without supplements for a month. So, I have to wait:-((
Denise

New Drugs and the US FDA

2007-07-19 16:10:47

Hi! Geoff Crenshaw here.
This has been going on now for several years, ever since the "Fast
Track" program for new and experimental drugs was introduced. The USA is
the most lucrative drug market in the world (another discussion). Fast
Track has completely changed the function of the FDA. Now after a very
small scale clinical trial drugs are introduced tot he general public
under prescription in a "wide area population study". What this means
once deciphered is that the general populace is now being used as a test
bed for new drugs. If:
1. they are found safe at that level; and
2. there is appropriate demand; and
3. profitability would be enhanced
the drugs are then removed from being scheduled (i.e., prescribed) and
put out on the OTC (over the counter). A good recent example of this is
the hair growing drug released a few years ago.
It pays better now to be careful than at any time in recent history. The
days of caveat emptor are far from gone, but the public is duped into
trusting an institution which by its nature should not be trusted -
government. A lesson the founders of America tried valiantly to pass on
to future generations and which now seems to have floundered as
collectively "We the people" run to forsake our freedoms and those of
our neighbors in hope that this same government will cure our ills and
provide for our needs.
HTH
--
Regards,
Geoff Crenshaw, ACC

A question for Dr. Chiu, Ethel, Chris, and the Group

2007-07-19 15:32:17

My wife, Skip, has had Zithromax added to her list of medicines. She is taking
250mg. on Tuesday and Thursday. She is also taking 100mg., twice a day, of
Minocin on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. We have read enough to know that she
may be on a maintenance dose of Minocin for a long time after the RA goes into
remission and wondered how long the Zithromax should be a part of her recovery?
Should the Zithromax be taken in periodic doses like the Clindamycin or a pulse
type schedule like the Minocin? The Zithromax has definately caused a Herxheimer
reaction and in a very short time. We have taken this to be a positive sign
although Skip has to force a smile when she says it. It is also why I'm doing
the typing today.
Thanks,
Denny

Alexion Announces Positive Clinical Results

2007-07-19 08:17:47

Alexion Announces Positive Clinical Results from Phase
I/II Study Of C5 Complement Inhibitor in Rheumatoid
Arthritis Patients
NEW HAVEN, Conn., April 21 /PRNewswire/ -- Alexion Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
(Nasdaq: ALXN - news) today announced that
it has completed preliminary analysis of its Phase I/II study of its
anti-inflammatory complement inhibitor drug candidate 5G1.1 in
rheumatoid arthritis patients. The trial was designed to gather clinical
data regarding the safety profile and biological effects of a
single administration of 5G1.1 in this patient population. The
preliminary analysis demonstrated that the drug was well tolerated,
showed a potent biologic effect, and was associated with a significant
reduction in a validated, objective measurement of clinical
disease activity in these patients.
``The results of this study are encouraging since they demonstrate for
the first time that a complement inhibitor can produce a
sustained, well-tolerated reduction in complement activity in rheumatoid
arthritis patients,'' said Dr. Leonard Bell, President and
Chief Executive Officer of Alexion. ``Further, the observation that the
drug significantly and beneficially affected objective
measurements of disease activity in these patients supports a clinical
proof-in-principle for the role of C5 Inhibitors in the treatment
of rheumatoid arthritis patients.''
The Phase I/II multi-center, double-blinded, placebo-controlled,
ascending-dose trial examined the safety and biologic activity of
5G1.1 in 40 patients with mild to moderate rheumatoid arthritis, each of
whom received a single dose of the drug, ranging from 0.1
to 8.0 mg/kg. Of primary importance, 5G1.1 was found to be safe and well
tolerated, and had no detectable immunogenicity in the
study population. Further, a single dose of 5G1.1 potently and rapidly
blocked complement activity in a dose-dependent fashion
for up to two weeks.
The sustained and potent complement inhibition after a single dose was
associated with a beneficial clinical effect, with the highest
dose (8 mg/kg; n=6) resulting in a significant 30 percent reduction in
C-reactive protein levels (P<.05), as compared to
placebo-treated patients, in which C-reactive protein increased 24
percent (P=ns). C-reactive protein, a validated measurement of
clinical disease activity in rheumatoid arthritis, is considered the
most objective component of the American College of
Rheumatology's definition of improvement criteria for rheumatoid
arthritis. In the study, drug administration was also associated
with a trend in reductions in other, more subjective, measurements of
disease activity, including tender joint count, swollen joint
count, patient's global assessment of disease and patient's global
assessment of pain.
``The need for multiple therapeutic alternatives in rheumatoid arthritis
remains great, since, for many patients, the observed benefits
of most existing treatments may be offset by potentially serious side
effects,'' commented Dr. Christopher Mojcik, a clinical
rheumatologist and Senior Director of Clinical Development at Alexion.
``Based upon the results of the current Phase I/II trial, we
are moving rapidly to commence Phase II efficacy trials in expanded
rheumatoid arthritis populations.''
Approximately 2,500,000 patients currently receive therapy for
rheumatoid arthritis in the U.S. Rheumatoid arthritis is a disease in
which the immune system attacks primarily multiple joints and, in fact,
the whole body. This chronic immune attack frequently leads
to involvement of multiple organs in the body and fatigue, in addition
to severe joint destruction, pain, and disfigurement.
Alexion's C5 inhibitors (5G1.1 and 5G1.1-SC) are specific and potent
recombinant drugs which are designed to intervene in the
complement cascade. The Company believes that these proprietary C5
Inhibitors intervene at an optimal point which generally
preserves the normal disease-preventing functions of complement proteins
while generally inhibiting the disease-causing actions.
5G1.1 is a novel fully humanized monoclonal antibody, specifically
designed to deliver potent anti-complement and
anti-inflammatory activity to patients suffering from chronic
inflammatory diseases, including the autoimmune disorders rheumatoid
arthritis and systemic lupus.
Alexion Pharmaceuticals, Inc. was founded in 1992 and is engaged in the
development of selective immunotherapeutic drugs that
generally are designed to inhibit the disease-causing segments of the
immune system while preserving the disease-preventing
aspects of the immune system. The Company is developing three technology
platforms: C5 Complement Inhibitors and Apogen
T-Cell Therapeutics which together target severe cardiovascular and
autoimmune disorders; and xenografts for organ
transplantation.
This news release contains forward-looking statements. Such statements
are subject to certain factors which may cause Alexion's
plans to differ or results to vary from those expected including
unexpected pre-clinical or clinical results, the need for additional
research and testing, delays in manufacturing, access to capital and
funding, delays and adverse changes in development of
commercial relationships and a variety of risks set forth from time to
time in Alexion's filings with the Securities and Exchange
Commission, including but not limited to the risks discussed in
Alexion's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended July 31,
1998. Alexion undertakes no obligation to publicly release results of
any of these forward-looking statements which may be made
to reflect events or circumstances after the date hereof or to reflect
the occurrence of unanticipated events.
SOURCE: Alexion Pharmaceuticals, Inc.

Celebrex makes money

2007-07-19 01:19:36

Sarah wrote:
"When you read these reports it becomes quite obvious that the main
concern with new drugs is how much money they generate"
Although those who run big drug companies are surely interested in returning a
very healthy profit to their shareholders, I do have to believe that those in
the trenches working in the labs trying to find a cure for these diseases do not
necessarily approach their endeavors from a strictly monetary standpoint. If
someone were to write about a year in one of these researcher's life, it would
probably be quite fascinating and shed an entirely different light on things.
I've just started a new book which looks to be quite interesting, called "Virus
Hunting: Aids, Cancer, and the Human Retrovirus - A Story of Scientific
Discovery" by Robert Gallo, M.D. I'll let you know how good it is when I'm
done!
Mark
http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes
RA 4/98 AP 7/98
Minocycline (Lederle generic) 100mg 2x/day; Lodine 400mg 3x/day
RA Chat - http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes/RA/ra.html

any clues?

2007-07-18 23:03:18

"NOTE: my rheumatologist is trying to get me off of predisone, so she downed
the dosage from 10 mg to 5 mg -
right after this I believe is when the swelling began! Martha Smith"
I'm no doc, but I would suggest that going from 10 to 5 was too sudden of a
drop. That's especially true when you get down near the lower limits of
prednisone dosages. Probably would have been better to drop to 8 or 9 only.
From what I understand, it is a slow, careful process as you get down near the
end. You gotta give those adrenals a chance to kick back in on their own.
Mark
http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes
RA 4/98 AP 7/98
Minocycline (Lederle generic) 100mg 2x/day; Lodine 400mg 3x/day
RA Chat - http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes/RA/ra.html

The Blessings of RA

2007-07-18 09:02:32

Hi Everyone,
I just want to say thank you for your love and support that you have all
given me over the last week.
The blessings that I've received have been so numerous, I'd like to share
some of them with you.
My Aunt died from Motor Neuron Disease. I have RA. Over the past six
years she gradually became imprisoned in her own body.
First of all she began by having a few falls and then her legs wouldn't
work. She found it hard to keep her eyes open and then her neck couldn't
hold her head up. When we tried to talk to her, we thought that she had
dropped off to sleep, but she was wide awake. Next thing she became
bedridden and her speech became affected and she couldn't talk. She began
to lose weight because she couldn't swallow her food nor drink and they had
to feed her through a tube.
She prayed for the Lord to take her home, but the time wasn't right. All
through this her mind was completely clear. She couldn't eat, drink, see
or communicate - she became like a vegetable, but nothing affected her
brain.
Can you imagine what it must have been like? Imprisoned in a living coffin
that was gradually rotting bit by bit! And through it all, she never
complained.
I thank God that I have RA. I thank God that I can feel the pain and
communicate with others and see the wonders of this universe. My pain
seems to be so insignificant now.
She had a friend who used to come visit her. A one legged magpie and while
she could, she fed him titbits from her window. When she became bedridden,
the nurses took over feeding him and he came every morning for his breakfast.
She was buried in a park cemetery where the kangaroos and birds have the
run of the land. There are no tombstones here, just brass plaques set into
the lawn. During the service at the graveside we were amazed to see a one
legged magpie hopping around the gravesite picking up the lawnseeds!
I thank God for her life on this earth and for the opportunity to see that
having RA is not the the worst disease one can have - it is a blessing, for
I could have been unlucky enough to get MND.
Thank you for listening,
Love and hugs,
Judy.

body vibrating

2007-07-18 02:31:14

Group,
Do any of you feel your body vibrating? Although it comes and goes,
it is driving me nuts. Even though I have been off aspirin for more
than 3 weeks, my ears continue to ring. Between the two, I am ready to
go into orbit!
What could be causing this? Any thoughts?
TIA
Denise

Protocol

2007-07-17 21:53:16

Hi to all of the group, I assumed all of you, when you found the AP,
wrote for all the information you could get. I know I did. I also sent
for the physicians protocol and made a copy for my doc. In case any of
you don't know what I mean-----you get this from
The Roadback Foundation
4985 N. Lake Hill Drive
Delaware, Ohio 43015-9249 USA
The new protocol I was refering tot the other day was revised last year.
I think this was the first time it was given out. Anyway after all of
you were asking for copies, I asked Ethel if this was ethical and she
said (in different words) NO! So I'm sorry I will have to ask you to get
your own copies.
By the way as I said before. Its nothing we don't already know. Its only
put toghther better than the other one and has added all the stuff on
our web page thats important.
Again I am really sorry and its not necessary to have this.
Cooky

Virus

2007-07-17 18:21:39

Just wanted to pass this along. This notice came from our company's
computer specialist, so it is real. Hope everyone makes is through Monday
with their computer intact.
Paula
Subject: Virus
Melissa Was But a Sniffle
by Leander Kahney <mailto:leander@...
2:30 p.m. 22.Apr.99.PDT
The havoc caused by the Melissa computer virus is tame compared with the
destruction expected to strike on 26 April.
The CIH virus is believed to be the first virus to attack a PC's BIOS
(basic
input/output system), the built-in program that helps a machine boot. The
virus can overwrite hard drives, and because it has a long incubation
period
it is now believed to be widely distributed.
"It's the most destructive [code] out there," said Roger Thompson,
technical
director of malicious code research at ICSA <http://www.icsa.net/
independent security assurance service that certifies antivirus software.
"I think it's pretty bloody important," Thompson said. "We never release
warnings about viruses because we don't want to hype them, but we issued a
release about this one."
Affecting Windows 95, 98, and NT machines, the virus first appeared last
spring. Since then, it has spread widely, hidden in software installers on
CD-ROMs and floppy disks, in email attachments, and in infected software
shared by computer users, Thompson said.
The virus is a Windows executable, or .exe, file that, when launched, sits
dormant on an infected machine until it drops its "payload." That's
expected
to happen on Monday.
The payload may overwrite the system's hard drive, erasing everything on
it.
The virus may also attack the portion of the machine's BIOS that affects
the
start-up sequence, making the computer unusable.
However, due to the wide variety of different system designs, virus experts
can only guess how many machines will be affected.
Though the virus is not irreversible, experts said that resetting the BIOS
is a major pain in the neck that's beyond the expertise of most computer
dealers, let alone average users.
"It's been out there spreading for some time now," said David Chess, a
member of the researcher staff at IBM's High Integrity Computing Lab in the
Thomas J. Watson Research Center <http://www.watson.ibm.com/
reached
the stage where it's endemic."
In fact, the CIH virus was found on a batch of IBM Aptivas earlier this
month, forcing Big Blue to issue a warning
<http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/qtechinfo/DETR-46NRJW.html/
customers.
The CIH virus is version 1.2, a variant of the equally destructive
Win95-CIH
virus, which is timed to strike on the 26th of every month. Described when
it appeared last spring as the mother of all viruses because of its
destructive behavior, the Win95-CIH virus failed to live up to the hype
because of its relative rarity.
ICSA's Thompson counseled users to leave email attachments unopened on
Monday and to run an updated antivirus program. Because the virus has been
in circulation for a long time, almost all antivirus software can detect
it.
In fact, Thompson said that CIH's impact may have already been lessened by
users running antivirus software to check for Melissa.

Sorta Sad

2007-07-17 12:53:52

Jenna's Homepage
I ran onto this page and found it sad. By a small child with JRA
Sarah
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AP Support Group:
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Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

Heart Attack..auto-immune

2007-07-17 06:19:20

Heart disease may be caused by an immune system attack on heart cells,
according to researchers at University of Wuezburg, Germany. The
research appears in a
recent edition of the journal Circulation.
--
Clark Signs:
http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/
Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

Celebrex makes money

2007-07-17 04:07:20

When you read these reports it becomes quite obvious that the main
concern with new drugs is how much money they generate. Maximize your
mail window to view this in the correct format.

Rheumatoid level

2007-07-16 17:06:11

Does the actual Rheumatoid level mean anything? Mine was 95.
Valerie
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PLEASE NOTE: New email address. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Drug reactions

2007-07-16 16:28:13

In my experience doctors do not look at new problems as from a drug
but go on to try to treat it with more drugs.
Sarah
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Clark Signs:
http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
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Lots of arthritis and health links:
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Celebrex specs

2007-07-16 02:48:12

Celecoxib - RxList Monographs
Heres the spec sheet on Celebrex. Actually first reports of it said it
doesnt seem to be even as effective as the other nsaids for most people.
This report also has some comparisons with the other nsaids.
Sarah
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AP Support Group:
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Lots of arthritis and health links:
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MWF dose

2007-07-16 02:21:52

Mark you could just as easily take them every other day as that turns
out to be on a different day for every two weeks.
Sarah
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http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
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Lots of arthritis and health links:
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unsubscribe

2007-07-15 16:38:31

Please unsubscribe my name. Thankyou.
Zanash

Saying a prayer

2007-07-15 09:48:08

TO HELEN: You recently e-mailed that you were having surgery. I am not sure of
the date right now. This is a note of "hoping things are going well with the
surgery/recuperation." I am thinking of you and praying for you. You mentioned
the prayer for rheumatics. I did not see that one. I must have missed it.
Thinking of you, Martha Smith, St. Aug. Fla.

any clues?

2007-07-15 08:54:18

Well, here I go again. Another unusual problem with RA? Or is it? I have been
to theE.R. once with this problem, to my GP secondly. I have had for the past
two weeks swelling in my feet/ankles and leg with discoloration (pinkish color)
and it started as a pain in the calf. Two dopplers of the legs showed no deep
thrombosis. After being on Keflex, however, (just a few doses) I have noticed a
shortness of breath. I do not know if that is from infection, or indeed side
effects from the Keflex. I am having a great deal of back pain (upper) this
A.M. After sleeping at night, the swelling has not gone down at all. The
swelling is taking a toll on me. I will phone my rheumatologist today and GP as
well. I was on a great deal of antibiotics for pneumonia (March, 1999) and then
E.R. put me on another, so I do not know if it is too much for my system, or
what in the world is going on? Any input would be appreciated. NOTE: my
rheumatologist is trying to get me off of predisone, so she downed the dosage
from 10 mg to 5 mg -
right after this I believe is when the swelling began! Martha Smith, St. Aug.
Fl.

Sun...Stress...Antibotic treatment hits another mag...Relafen

2007-07-14 23:22:34

Hi all,
First I'd like to mention that there was a big article in Truckers News
(april 1999) about Arthritis and the author's Dr. prescribed antibotics,
change of diet, & suppliments for his treatment regiment...sound familiar???
Needless to say I was surprised and pleased when I read the article. (My
hubby drives truck & I go with him when I can...the magazine is free at many
of the truck stops)
Couple personal observations I'd like to mention (it reinforces the concept
that we are ALL different and don't just "go with the flow" on others
experiences...find your "own way")
About sun and sensitivity....personally I have NO problems, NONE. I don't use
sunscreen and I occasionally go to tanning booths ( I can hear everyone
screaming...no..no...no) But for me in the dreary, cold winter months I love
to warm up in a tanning bed...it cheers me up, makes me look better, plus it
does provide vitamin D. As for the sun...I don't lay out in it but I enjoy
outdoor activities without sunscreen. Moderation is the key.
About stress...it definitely effects our RA...all our health for that matter.
I know that I have had to learn to deal with stress better (Months/years of
therapy helped) Being sick doesn't help matters...but again find a way to
RELAX..for me it's a nice stroll along the river walk.
Relafen...it seems many have, were, are taking this. I myself Have been
taking it since Dec/96, when Dr. Sinnott prescribed it. (he said it is one of
the safest NSAIDS).. I personally have had no problems with it...on full or
empty stomach.
Hope everyone has a great day....Cindi/Iowa RA 42 yrs AP 29 months

Laboratory testing for systemic rheumatic diseases

2007-07-14 22:42:28

http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/1998/02_98/ward.htm
AOL: <A
HREF="http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/1998/02_98/ward.htm"
Medicine: Symposium: Rheumatologic Diseases
</A

WHAT IS OLIGOARTHRITIS?

2007-07-14 16:58:21

Excuse me if this was already discussed but what is this "acne" connection to
oligoarthritis ??
Thx
Liz

prayer

2007-07-14 08:03:24

A couple weeks ago someone asked me if I would like to be put on the
prayer list. That same day I was reformatting my computor and lost the
message. I hope I am not too late. I am having cervical neck surgery
tomorrow morning. I would appreciate any and all prayers. Thanks in
advance,
Helen Basler

Conference

2007-07-13 22:01:04

Hi everyone,
Just had a visit with my doc that prescribes the AP. He went to the
conference in ??new york in March and was very pleased. He was suprised
because there were only about 30 docs there. He told me a while ago how
much he admired me for not taking the establishments policy and doing
all I did to present him the facts to do the AP. Today he said he is
ready to start treating a few others because of me. He also said when I
tell him things I do he applies it to the others he has. He also
mentioned AP being talked about for fibromyalgia. He has more of these
patients and can't wait to start them on AP. He also gave me a copy of
the new protocol for docs that he got there. It is much better than the
other one. Mark and or Joe I highly recommend this for the doc at
Arlington that you go to. It's technical but simple. He also believes
this will be the treatment in the future and as we all haesaid "why
can't they see how good this is" !!!
Cooky
He

I Hate this disease! Off subject

2007-07-13 19:17:41

Grp:
Bill and I were supposed to go to a convention in Atlanta tonight through
Saturday for his job! I must have been crazy to try and plan something where
I have to dress up, travel, and walk normal! I can't go with him and I am so
disappointed to always be left behind. My youngest is a junior in High
School and my daughter was going to stay with him for the weekend; My dad is
hanging in there with his cancer- but there is no way I am up to traveling by
air to Atlanta. I am barely sleeping again with my shoulder problem so I am
afraid to try a hotel bed. And would you believe I have no decent shoes? I
have ordered shoes (extra wide for the RA) all over this town and no one can
find my size. Natualizer ordered some from the factory 4 weeks ago but there
was a FLOOD! I just tried to force a pair of Easy Spirit on my feet and have
really aggravated them!
Bill had to show my daughter how to pack me in ice when I lay down at night-
how depressing. At 47 I feel like I am 87- just really regressing.
Sorry for the pity party but I want to get well so bad!
Carol*

DGL

2007-07-13 16:35:22

Hello,
Michael Murray, N.D. only mentions the chewable tablets and the need
for it to be mixed with saliva.
As Liz points out, DGL, is different from the licorice root.
Denise

Celebrex

2007-07-13 09:56:28

From Medical Correspondent Rhonda Rowland
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An advisory panel has recommended to the U. S. Food and
Drug Administration (FDA) approval of Vioxx, a second drug in a new class of
painkillers. Tuesday's move follows a report suggesting links between the
first of these new painkillers, Celebrex, and certain complications
including possible death.
After three months on the market and 2.5 million prescriptions filled, there
are reports linking Celebrex to 10 deaths and 11 cases of gastrointestinal
hemorrhages, according to the FDA.
Vioxx made my Merck, the second Cox-2 Inhibitor to come before the FDA, was
recommended Tuesday for use only in treating arthritis. Celebrex was
approved in December also for the exclusive treatment of arthritis.
Rheumatoid arthritis affects more than three-million Americans, and
osteo-arthritis affects about 16-million Americans. Both conditions cause
pain and joint deterioration.
When Celebrex was approved, it was hailed as a breakthrough painkiller. It
was touted as a safe alternative to other "NSAIDs," or non-steroidal
anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen and naproxen. Each year some
16,000 people in the U.S. die from gastrointestinal complications caused by
NSAID use.
NSAIDs work by blocking enzymes known and Cox-1 and Cox-2. But Celebrex
blocks only Cox-2, providing pain relief without stomach trouble. Therefore,
it was hoped that Celebrex will be safer than other NSAIDs for longterm use.
'Super aspirin' label inaccurate
Some have called Celebrex and other drugs with the drug classification Cox-2
Inhibitor "super aspirin." But medical researchers say this label is not
really accurate since these drugs are not stronger than aspirin, but have
been generally considered safer.
The chairman of the FDA panel says studies indicate both Vioxx and Celebrex
are safer than other NSAIDs, but how much safer is unclear.
The panel has asked for studies to answer the question, but until research
provides a more definitive understanding of the matter, patients will
continue to be warned that while stomach ulcers are rare, they are a
possible side effect of Cox-2 Inhibitors.
The FDA panel's chairman says patients taking Cox-2 Inhibitors should not
panic. But until all safety questions are answered, the only people who
should take the drugs are those with arthritis -- the single condition for
which the drugs have been approved.
FDA: Too early to draw conclusions about Celebrex safety
Five of the 10 people who died suffered from gastrointestinal bleeding or
ulcers. Of the other deaths, two were attributed to heart attacks, one to
drug interaction, one to a kidney disorder -- and a fifth cause remains
undetermined.
"It's too early to reach any conclusions about the drug's safety," an FDA
spokesman tells CNN.
The deaths and complications figured in the FDA's adverse-events report,
which is filed quarterly. Reports of problems are provided by pharmaceutical
companies, doctors and patients.
"There is no indication these deaths and complications were caused by the
use of Celebrex," says Scarlett Foster, a spokesperson for Searle & Co., a
subsidiary of Monsanto Company. "Before coming to any conclusions, we need
to look at other medical conditions that could have contributed to these
events."
Patient information materials provided by Searle & Co. also state stomach
ulcers can occur in patients using Celebrex without the problem being
evident. So patients and their doctors should watch for signs and symptoms
of stomach bleeding.

Celebrax

2007-07-12 22:24:46

Eleven deaths out of a couple million
folks taking it may be a lot less danger than from Aleve or other
NSAIDS.
Thats true but the fact that this occured so soon after it came out and
that its not supposed to do this, and that drug companies now are
allowed to do their final stage testing on the public consumers should
be looked into. REmember the recent case of the diet drugs that gave
people fatal heart problems and the company has refused to do anything
about it.
Sarah
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Celebra Bandwagon

2007-07-12 18:56:20

Four weeks ago I had 3 doctors here tell me that Celebra is fantastic and
that I should jump right in and try it. I saw 2 of the doctors last week and
their tune has changed but they won't come right out and admit it! One GP
told me that she a 35 years patient that had only been on 200mg C for 5 days
build so much fluid that she was hositalized and almost had some type of
kidney failure. She actually told me to be careful - and to measure the
urine output to be safe.
The other doc said he he a elderly patient die from heart failure- BUT not to
worry too much because she other problems.
I also had a friend that had severe diarrhea for 3 weeks-after 1 week of meds.
I am holding off to see what happens before I jump on the Celebra
Bandwagon!!!!!!!
Carol*

Mycos

2007-07-12 13:13:19

Hi Group. I spent a little time web researching the
reproductive mechanism of mycoplasmas. Couldn't find
anything definitive, but there's a lot of good info out
there. They replicate, not reproduce. It's a simple cell
division, I think. Here's one link for the scientific
minded:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol3no1/baseman.htm
Vern

Tylophora / Liver help

2007-07-12 09:31:04

Hi group,
Anyone out there on Tylophora? It's an Indian herb that Dr. Mercola put me
on. I take it for a week (20 drops a day) and then off for 3 weeks, on for
one, off for 3. It's supposed to have the effects of Methotrexate without
the side effects, so I can get off the Prednisone. Tastes NASTY. I mean
NASTY. I hold my breath, take it, drink lots of water, take a bite of
something, drink more water, then breathe, and I can still taste it. Anyway,
that's not the problem. It makes me sick to my stomach. My body wants to
reject it by throwing up. The problem is if I throw up I'm usually throwing
up some other medication as well and then don't know whether I should re-take
it or what. Anybody?
Also, anyone know of an herb or something that would help with liver
dysfunction? I think mine's messed up (I know it is, my liver tests were
"off", but I'm not sure how much or anything). I'd like to see if there's
anything natural anyone else is taking. I was also going to ask Mercola when
I see him in May.
Thanks a bunch,
Maria

shoes

2007-07-11 19:56:12

An orthopedic doctor in California, Dr. Rose, has designed some orthopedic
shoes that are more attractive than the usual ones. They were shown on the
news two nights ago (it must have been a slow night!!) and are really quite
flexible while still providing support where the foot needs it, according to
the report. The T.V. station was inundated with calls for more information,
so they gave out a phone number last night: 1-800-881-0144. Apparently the
shoes are sold out of Joseph's Shoes in Houston, Texas.
Linda

Enzymatic Therapy: garlic supplement

2007-07-11 17:40:36

I just found out about a new garlic supplement that allows allicin to be
released in the body. In most supplements, the allicin, which is the active
ingredient in fresh garlic, is lost in processing. One coated tablet daily
gives you the equivalent of 4000 mg of fresh garlic. I checked this with
my naturopath who seems to think it is better than other garlic supplements.
You can find it under "Immune/colds/flu" in the products section of
Enzymatic Therapy's website:
http://www.enzy.com
Linda

Good support from onelist re spamming :)

2007-07-11 12:09:28

I complained about this yesterday and onelist has already acted to stop it.
I'm impressed with the level of support we're getting and with onelist in
general.
Chris.
Hi Onelist Customer,
We have deactivated that list as well as the account of the person
responsible. We have a strict anti-spam policy and we do not tolerate this
type of behavior. We sincerely apologize for this.
ONElist Team
------- cadlard@... wrote --------
Hi - this person is sending mail to our group at rheumatic@onelist.com. He
isn't currently subscribed, so he may have subscribed, sent the emails and
then unsubscribed.
Can you do anything to prevent this?
Thanks, Chris Adlard.

minocycline dosage

2007-07-11 02:46:36

Susan wrote:
"Lots of people take everyday, though Dr. Brown suggests every other day.
Docs prescribe that way and the MIRA and O'Dell studies of minocin prescribed
100 daily. I don't know about 2oo daily, though"
I believe O'Dell prescribed 100 mg 2x/day/daily I know that is what my doc
prescribes (Kempf).
Mark
http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes
RA 4/98 AP 7/98
Minocycline (Lederle generic) 100mg 2x/day; Lodine 400mg 3x/day
RA Chat - http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes/RA/ra.html

Clindamycin for tooth abcess

2007-07-10 23:35:07

Hi group. Last week I read some warnings against root canals, but I
really don't know what else to do. Geoff, your suggestion is great, but
way too expensive for me at this time. The dentist said that the root
canal procedure would take away the cause of the infection and that my
body would then clean up the infection. I wanted my dentist to give me
something that would also calm down my arthritis, which is flaring. He
prescribed clindamycin. I know many of you take clindamycin IV's, but
who takes capsules and what can I expect from them? And why can't I
just take my minocin instead? Thanks. Peggy

(no subject)

2007-07-10 22:51:09

Thought you might all enjoy this.
Mark
Subject: Only in America
But I am glad I live here.
ONLY IN AMERICA...
...can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance.
ONLY IN AMERICA...
...are there handicapped parking places in front of a skating rink.
ONLY IN AMERICA...
...do drugstores make the sick walk all the way to the back of the
store to get their prescriptions.
ONLY IN AMERICA...
...do people order double cheeseburgers, a large fry, and a diet
coke.
ONLY IN AMERICA...
..do banks leave both doors open and then chain the pens to the counter.
ONLY IN AMERICA...
..do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars in the driveway and
leave useless junk in the garage.
ONLY IN AMERICA...
...do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have call
waiting so we won't miss a call from someone we didn't want to talk to in
the first place.
ONLY IN AMERICA...
..do we buy hot dogs in packages of ten and buns in packages of
eight.
ONLY IN AMERICA...
..do we use the word "politics" to describe the process so well:
"poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "blood-sucking
creatures."
...Author unknown
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IV usage &amp; patient need criteria

2007-07-10 13:15:25

Hi-I'm new to this group and have had RA a little under a year. Have been
treating myself with the help of a very open minded rheumatolgist who still
follows mostly traditional methods of treatment. Have been on standard oral
antibiotic protocol for 5 months. Has helped some (realize recovery is
sometimes slow), but have a very physically demanding job and am considering IV
usage to boost the oral program. Anyone out there have experience using IVs
after being on minocine/doxycycline? Initial criteria for usage? How often to
repeat? Have many others gone this route (oral first then IV)? Pros? Cons?
Thanks for any input--Scott

Can Treating Hypothyroidism Cure Arthritis?

2007-07-10 04:39:51

I have dueling doctors. I am extremely sensitive to drugs and have had
life threatening reactions to many innocuous medicines & herbs, so I can
only try one drug at a time. My nutritionist wants me to forego Minocin
and treat the hypothyroidism (Armour thyroid) & suppressed adrenal
function, saying that if I do the rheumatoid arthritis will go into
remission. My GP says the opposite. So my questions, to those of you
with hypothyroidism is: did treating your thyroid problem halt your
arthritis?

Hyperpigmentation...

2007-07-09 19:47:25

To add to this discussion on hyperpigmentation...
I went to see a specialist in dermatology last week. He's written a few
papers on this subject (Dr. Fivenson from Henry Ford Medical Center in
Detroit.) He found that hyperpigmentation comes with higher doses of
Minocin. He prescribes it a lot for acne, and was using high doses in quite
a few of his patients (including himself), and that's when he found the
hyperpigmentation to flare. He found the higher the dosage, the darker the
spots. Mine are very light in color and quite big (on my legs) and he's not
quite sure if they're just big bruises taking forever to heal (due to
Prednisone) or if they're hyperpigmentation. I take Minocin 100 mg daily
plus an additional 100 mg on MWF. I'm thinking if I cut back they might go
away, but then who knows how I'll feel. Mercola uses low doses of Minocin,
and that's probably why he's not seen hyperpigmentation on his patients.
However, when I go to see him on May 7, he'll have one patient with
hyperpigmentation! Ask him about it after May 7
:-)
Maria
DM Jan 1997, AP Nov 1998
In a message dated 4/19/99 11:50:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
snooks@... writes:
<< From: Snooks <snooks@...
Dr. Mercola says he is not aware of any of his patients having this
problem. He has treated over 1500 patients with this protocol and uses
the 100 mg M-W-F dose.
Then this from Dr. Franco:
"Hyperpigmentation occurs in about 10%-20% of patient that take
minocycline or Minocin, usually in patients who take Minocin on a daily
basis and over one year. Occasionally it may occur prior to that but
less frequently with patients taking it on a three times per week basis.
It usually is reversible after discontinuation, but fades slowly and
sometimes not completely. Switching to another antibiotic may be the
thing to do then."
Dr. Franco normally prescribes 100 mg twice a day M-W-F.

Deaths from Celebrax

2007-07-09 17:03:05

Check this out. FDA not alarmed over deaths from Celebrax
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9904/20/celebrex.deaths.02.reut/
Sarah Clark
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Celebrex

2007-07-09 14:09:17

I just heard on the radio that in the short time Celebrex has been out in
the States, there have been 10 deaths and 11 gastro-intestinal bleeds.
There's still a long way to go in terms of safety wih the drugs we must
take.
Linda

Celebrex causes hemorrhages

2007-07-09 01:29:59

Hi Group,
I read this in the news. I am taking 400mgs of Celebrex and I know some the
people in the group are also taking it. I don't know if I should continue
taking it or go back to Aleve.
Paper: Celebrex Linked to 10 Deaths
.c The Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP) -- Monsanto's highly successful painkiller Celebrex has been
linked to 10 deaths and 11 cases of gastrointestinal hemorrhages in its first
three months on the market, The Wall Street Journal reported today.
Half of the 10 people who died suffered from gastrointestinal bleeding or
ulcers, according to reports submitted to the Food and Drug Administration
that were obtained by the Journal under the Freedom of Information Act.
Two other deaths were attributed to heart attacks, one to drug interaction
and one to kidney disorder. No cause of death was given for the 10th
fatality.
The Journal did not specify the sources of the so-called adverse event
reports, which could come from health professionals, consumers or the drug
company itself.
Celebrex, manufactured by St. Louis-based Monsanto Co.'s G.D. Searle & Co.
subsidiary, went on the market in January to treat osteoarthritis and
rheumatoid arthritis.
Celebrex was touted by Monsanto as an effective pain reliever much like
ibuprofen, but was much less likely to cause severe stomach problems such as
bleeding ulcers.
So far it has been a gigantic success: 2.5 million prescriptions have been
filled in its first 13 weeks on the market, compared with the record 2.7
million prescriptions of anti-impotency drug Viagra filled during its first
three months.
Robert DeLap, director of an FDA office of drug evaluation, told the Journal
that more research needs to be done before coming to a conclusion about
Celebrex's safety. ``Do we think there's a signal that the product poses some
special risk? No, not at the moment.''
Searle officials told the Journal they remain excited about Celebrex's
performance. ``We really feel the drug is performing as expected. The safety
profile is what we would expect,'' said Steve Geis, the company's vice
president for arthritis clinical research.
Geis declined to go into details about any cases of death linked to the drug,
but said that many patients taking Celebrex have other illnesses and are
taking multiple medications.
AP-NY-04-20-99 0514EDT
Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news
report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed
without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active
hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.

stevia

2007-07-09 01:11:13

Does anyone know if stevia is just another form of sugar? The man who runs
the health food store where I get some of my supplements and who is usually
quite knowledgeable says he thinks it is?
Linda

CPAP AND ENBREL

2007-07-08 16:32:07

I have been away for awhile, first computer problems, then power outage. I am
now on Enbrel, I've had 2 self injections, too new to rate.
Also I have to get a CPAP machine. Both are really expensive and will be a
great financial burden for us. Anyone know of any way to get help with the cost
of the CPAP machine? I've lost my mail a couple of times, so if I owe someone a
message please write to me again.
Hugs,
Jani

Lyme

2007-07-08 16:31:20

Doxycycline is the drug of choice to treat Lyme disease
Sarah
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Tabe's Relief Plus

2007-07-08 05:03:16

OK, you guys down under, what's the scoop on this?
"
Relief Plus For Arthritis
On 8/6/98, Angela Cain of NBCs Channel Five News Team reported on an
arthritis cream that has just been introduced to The United States and is
sweeping the country. This interesting combination of herbs has an excellent
track record. It has been permanently solving most arthritis problems for
Australians and Indians for the past twenty years. Its inventor is an Australian
Naturopath, Dr. Graham Tabe.
This unique herbal cream originally was used on arthritic racehorses with
phenomenal results. He then used it on human Australian professional ball
players who had been "sent out to pasture" because of their injured and
arthritic limbs. Again, the success was phenomenal.
Seven years ago when I started studying natural medicine, I had a #7 pain
(on a scale of 1-10) in my knee and foot. My supplement protocol at that time
decreased the pain to a #3 and I have been living with a #3 pain for the past
seven years. A #3 pain did not keep me from all my athletic endeavors like
tennis, weight training, racquetball, basketball, etc., but I could tell it was
there. I used Relief Plus for a month hoping to lessen the pain even more. As
reported on my radio show on 770 AM, the pain had been reduced to a #1 and
remains there at the time of this writing.
Betty and Jim Wilson of Queensland, Australia say "As both my husband and
myself were experiencing considerable pain in our knees, we were only happy to
commence Relief Plus treatment and can honestly say that all pain and swelling
was eliminated within the first two weeks and we happily completed the course to
ensure permanent recovery.
Charlie Freeman, a retired Minister from Lake Texoma, Texas comments "After
just 2 days of applying Relief Plus, I began to notice considerable relief, and
now, less than 2 months after completed the course to ensure permanent recovery.
Since beginning the program, I am pain free, have full range of movement, and
sleep soundly through the night. I havent taken a pill since the first week of
the Relief Plus program."
Natural healers believe that each one of the natural ingredients in Relief
Plus has individual healing properties: Capsaicin is a counterirritant to pain;
English Oak is a powerful astringent against swelling; Winter Cherry relieves
joint and nerve pain; Turmeric is an astringent with anti-inflammatory and
anti-biotic effects; Fenugreek provides added pain relief and is
anti-inflammatory; Norwegian Kelp replaces mineral deficiencies; Solomons Seal
helps heal bones, bruising, and the weakness of joints; and Menthol offers
immediate relief.
Mark
http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes
RA 4/98 AP 7/98
Minocycline (Lederle generic) 100mg 2x/day; Lodine 400mg 3x/day
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Database

2007-07-08 02:13:07

This seems like a good point to remind everyone to update their record on
Dr. Chiu's PIOSA study :)
For new people, Dr. Graham Chiu is a highly-qualified rheumatologist from
Wellington, New Zealand. Dr. Chiu uses antibiotic therapy for his patients
and helps everyone within this group. He is holding the first study ever
conducted via the internet and you are all invited to enter your medical
history, treatments you are using and details about your progress.
Studies are what make the medical world go around, so please join in Dr.
Chiu's study and make your mark :)
There is a link to the study pages at www.rheumatic.org.
Thanks, Chris.

Lyme Tests &amp; Diagnosis

2007-07-07 12:52:02

Actually at this point in time the tests for lyme are not all that good. My
dr said she wishes they had spent money on improving lyme testing rather than
on the vaccine! I show a positive IgM on the Western Blot for lyme but the
notation underneath it says that this may be a false positive as it is seen
in patients with connective tissue disease. I never convert to IgG Western
Blot so that does mean that I really don't have lyme but have connective
tissue disease. I don't think the tests are so accurate as to answer this
question. And I think drs are still quick to either rule out lyme as a
diagnosis or never consider it.
Carol E from NY

stomach problems

2007-07-07 06:07:25

My husband picked up a book on arthritis by Michael Murray, N.D. It
has alot of information on diet and herbs. One of the things he
suggests for stomach problems is DGL, deglycyrrhizinated licorice.
Strongly indicated for people taking NSAIDS and corticosteroids. It
stimulates the normal defense mechanisms that prevent ulcer formation,
increases the lifespan of intestinal cells, and improves blood supply to
the intestinal lining. He claims it is more effective than Zantac and
Tagamet or antibiotics. It is considered safe, without the side effect
of other drugs and much cheaper. It must be mixed with saliva, 380 mg
chewable tablets, 2-4 tablets, 20 minutes before meals. Using for 16
weeks after stopping NSAIDS will help heal the intestinal tract.
HTH
Denise

G&amp;M Smith / Swelling

2007-07-07 03:22:35

Hi! Geoff Crenshaw here.
I suffered severely increased edema in my legs from the thighs to the
toes from Minocycline. I switched to doxy and that seems to have helped.
However, before I started the mino I'd already been checked for possible
blood clot and found to have a Baker's Cyst (where the synovial sack and
fluid from the joint - in this case the knee - slips past the normal
confines into the back of knee and down into the calf). This Cyst can
really exacerbate edema.
BUT... best to have it checked out by a pro w/ an ultrasound because
Baker's Cysts and blood clots are often mistakenly cross diagnosed. it's
important because one is problematic while the other is life
threatening.
--
Regards,
Geoff Crenshaw, ACC

Mycoplasma Reproductive Cycles

2007-07-06 18:18:10

Group,
I appreciated the piece sent in explaining mycoplasma vs viri in lay
terms. It was a real boon to me in laying out the gist of the situation
in such a way that my "biology-challenged" bride :) was able to
understand what happens. That also made it easier to explain actual drug
presence as a portion of, not a totality of, the sera at any given point
in the stream and the necessity for the target organism to be exposed in
the sera at exactly the time the drug or a WBC would happen to float by
-- much like a Police Officer on patrol witnessing a crime in progress.
Now she of course, being the bright young lass she is, asked an
exquisitely simple question...
What prompts mycoplasma to reproduce?
I answered with the "text" reply: chemical influence. Of course, that
was an inadequate answer to which she responded:
What?
I then endeavored as follows: There is a chemical change which takes
place in or about the organism which causes it to reproduce. As it has
no "consciousness" to interfere with same it acts thus in a mechanical
fashion. Either the time-chemistry influence results in the production
of a new chemical or increase of an existing one or both; or the
opposite; or a combination of these.
I did not tell her what presents to me as the reason most likely and
quite obviously not good news, i.e., the mycoplasma reproduce when
re-introduced to the blood stream by exhaustion of the host cell. (I'd
like to keep her about - no need to scare her off just yet, nor tempt
her to be done with the RA by eliminating the host cells. Yikes!!)
Of course, her question then was: Is there a way to influence the
mycoplasma to exposure, i.e., exit to reproduce, in order that the drug
& WBC would have a better shot at it?
Interesting questions folks. Obviously if it's because the host cell has
been exhausted then the answer would be NO. But if there is some other
reason... ??
--
Regards,
Geoff Crenshaw, ACC

To the group and Dr. Chui: EYE TROUBLES--please advise.

2007-07-06 12:55:13

I would really like the groups thoughts on this:
I have a friend who has been on AP (50 mg Minocin daily M/W/F) for 9 months.
She suffered headaches from the second month on, and now is experiencing eye
problems: a blurry spot in her vision, tearing, some eye pain and
photosensitivity. She has seen an eye specialist who has ruled out iritis or
any obvious eye trauma.
Her physician is concerned that this is symptomatic of pseudo tumor cerebri
and has discontinued the Minocin to avoid permanent eye damage. However, my
friend and her GP wonder what options there are left for her to continue her
AP therapy. Docloxacillin, even taken with acidophilus, kicks off yeast
problems for her.
Has anyone here ever experienced any eye problems similar to this while on
the Minocin or can you shed any light on the above situation?
Any advise or thoughts would be greatly appreciated!!!
My friend's computer is down at this time but she heard about this list from
someone and asked me to please contact you all.
Thank you in advance for your time. Regards, Dawn

new N.C. AP doc

2007-07-06 09:55:04

Please add the following doctor to the AP doctor list:
Dr. Charles E. Wiley, MD (oral and IV)
64 High Country Square
Banner Elk, NC
28604
(828) 898-6949
Thanks!
Sue :-)
--
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E-Mail : sestridg@madison
Internet: Sue_Estridge@...
Phone : (704) 649-2411
FAX: (704) 649-2020

reply to hormone question

2007-07-06 03:54:35

(Kyla- could not get you on your e-mail for some reason. )Hi Kyla: I first
began to have symptoms of RA and osteoarthritis in fact after I had a
hysterectomy in 1986. I did not begin hormone replacement treatment/therapy
because of a breast cancer risk due to my aunt and my Mother having breast
cancer. I got along better well for about 6 yrs in fact, then my joints began
to hurt, lack of mobility, etc. swelling and osteo came first then diagnosed
with Ra Dec. 1998. So yes, I think it does play a part. Thanks for mentioning
this concept. I ne