A small request

2006-11-30 18:31:26

Hi everyone! Just a small request. I know we probably all mean to do this each
time (me included!), but it is easy to forget. When replying to a post, please
include only that part of the original poster's note to which your reply
pertains. Including the entire original note makes for some incredible
scrolling for those of us who use the Digest form of the list. So if you would
try to remember to do a little bit of the ol' snip,snip, this Digest boy would
be a very happy camper! :)) Also - a small reminder to anyone including an
attachment - Digest viewers do not receive those - wasn't sure if everyone knew
that. (I know - you're all thinking - that guy is the only person who gets the
Digest - he should get a life! :))
Thank you one and all!
Mark
RA 4/98 A/P 7/98
Mino (100mg/2x/daily)
http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes
RA Chat: http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes/RA/ra.html
mholmes@... ICQ # 18123139

hello from mexico

2006-11-30 07:44:06

Hi everyone Good Night from here...Maria I already write to your friends
(Argentina) but the address you gave me it`s wrong could you please send me
again or tell them to write me.Thanks a lot.Hugs Rocio

St John's Wort

2006-11-30 01:58:16

The only cautions I know of are: Don't take it if you are taking an MAO
inhibitor, don't take it if you are pregnent, and it may cause sun sensitivity.
Doesn't do much for me but I have friends that swear by it. Hope this helps!
LizG

Re HELP FOR JAN!!

2006-11-29 21:06:03

Group:
I just started going thru my mail and found this. Can someone please help
Jan. It is kinda urgent!
Bev

DR Chiu' letter to Paul--For Paul

2006-11-29 17:29:46

Paul, I have a friend who needs info on Chron's and RA, could you post any hot
links on this here also. Thanks LizG

Unsubscibe

2006-11-29 05:38:11

Please unsubscribe me from your E-mail
Thanks

hello from mexico

2006-11-29 02:09:56

Hello maria,rocio here I`ll wwrite to your friends today...and tell you later
what happend.Hugs and habe a good dayRocio

description of Mycoplasmas--link

2006-11-29 00:25:19

Here is a link that has a good description of what mycoplasmas are, look under
heading Background Information on Mycoplasmas www.ioa.com/~dragonfly/pplo.html
the rest of the info is on cancer and aids, not arthritis LizG

Paula and others re Happy 99

2006-11-28 22:29:10

Here is a website with further info: www.msnbc.com/news/235662.asp
It's turning up in the newsgroups too! LizG

FW: Michael's Song

2006-11-28 12:07:21

This is a two hankie story but it's great.
Paula
Subject: FW: Michael's Song

FW: Happy 99 Virus

2006-11-28 03:01:49

We got a warning in my office about this virus so I thought I'd pass along
the warning. This is legit -- we have actually had computers in our office
affected by this.
Paula
Subject: Happy 99 Virus
Happy99.Worm
VirusName: Happy99.Worm
Aliases: Trojan.Happy99, I-Worm.Happy
Likelihood: Common
Region Reported: US, Europe
Keys: Trojan Horse, Worm
Description:
This is a worm program, NOT a virus. This program has reportedly been
received through email spamming and USENET newsgroup posting. The file is
usually named HAPPY99.EXE in the email or article attachment.
When being executed, the program also opens a window entitled "Happy New
Year 1999 !!" showing a firework display to disguise its other actions. The
program copies itself as SKA.EXE and extracts a DLL that it carries as
SKA.DLL into WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory. It also modifies WSOCK32.DLL in
WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory and copies the original WSOCK32.DLL into
WSOCK32.SKA.
WSOCK32.DLL handles internet-connectivity in Windows 95 and 98. The
modification to WSOCK32.DLL allows the worm routine to be triggered when a
connect or send activity is detected. When such online activity occurs, the
modified code loads the worm's SKA.DLL. This SKA.DLL creates a new email or
a new article with UUENCODED HAPPY99.EXE inserted into the email or
article.
It then sends this email or posts this article.
If you're not sure of the source of a file, do not open it.

Anyone in MO ??

2006-11-28 00:11:23

Hi,
Is there anyone out three who could do me a BIG favour and ring these people and
find out if they have a fax number?
Forest Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
13622 Lakefront Drive
Earth City, MO. 63045
Phone 1-314-344-8870
I need to order from them and it would be cheaper than ringing them:-))
THANK YOU !!
hugs,
lisbeth

deejay home from NZ

2006-11-27 16:39:10

Hi everyone. Returned from my NZ vacation yesterday. Had a wonderful but
short visit with Lisbeth. Went to her home for a wonderful dinner. Also
joined by Carolyn (scleroderma).
Lisbeth's husband Warren is a warm, charming man and Dennis and I enjoyed
our time there to the max! Lisbeth was an angel of mercy as she met our
ferry to show us the way and our rental car people had messed up and we
didn't have a car available. So, lisbeth was our transportation until the
next day when the rental people delivered a car to the motel.
She also took me to Dr. Chiu's office where I presented him with a box of
See's assorted chocolates with a note of appreciation signed by " All the
support group members of USA and Canada!" Dr. Chui is as witty and
charming in person as he is in his email. We had a wonderful and restful
vacation time. New Zealand is a beautiful country with the seaside, the
rolling hills dotted with sheep, beautiful clean rivers, mountains , desert
....they have it ALL.
And some of the warmest, friendliest people you'd every care to meet. We
were impressed with how clean the countryside was (no litter). All
throughout our three weeks away from home, Dennis would keep saying . " A
year ago you wouldn't have been able to do this."
It was great. Although it was wonderful (and we're already beginning to
save money to go again) it is GREAT to be back home and SUPER to get back
on line with this support group. I really missed "talking" to you all
everyday. Judy

Dr. Franco visit

2006-11-27 06:20:12

Dear Gang,
For any of you out there who are wondering if the AP works I am living proof
that it does. I just returned to Canada from a visit to Dr. Franco's office
and after only 10 months on the protocol my rheumatoid factor has gone from
122 to 25 and my CRP has gone from 18.8 to 0.9. Dr. Franco was thrilled with
the results. So was I. I will be staying on the AP for at least another year
to make sure that we have killed this disease.
I am now at a point where I am taking less than two NSAID's per week. Wow!
Best of health to all.
Brian
RA 2 yrs 10 mths AP 10 mths.

ARTICLE ON PRE- AND POST SURGICAL NUTRIENT PROGRAM

2006-11-27 03:21:56

Linda to see Dr Haas MD, pre- and post surgery nutrient program, go to the
following URL. Best of success to you tomorrow.

Linda--good luck tomorrow!

2006-11-27 01:11:57

Dear Linda, I'll bet it will all go easier tomorrow than the last time, it's
always easier when you know what to expect. Too bad medical types forget that
what they do everyday is often new to us and forget to prepare us. My thoughts
are with you. Good Luck and let us know how it went.LizG

surgery

2006-11-26 22:49:59

I am having biopsy surgery tomorrow. With 3 previous surgeries, I was told the
intubation for the general anaesthetic had to be done while I was conscious
because of my RA. A bad experience the first time (they hadn't done enough
preparation) left me terrified of the procedure. This time, I have requested a
local, although the doctors have said they think I should have the general. It
looks as though it may be a compromise: a local with general backup if needed.
The anaesthetist at the hospital I'm going to said they have a type of mask
which secures the airway at the back of the throat without going into the lungs.
The results of the biopsy should be in on Monday.
Linda

We will talk soon Mark

2006-11-26 10:18:48

We will talk soon so don't worry if you don't hear from me in a while!
-Paul

hello Elizabeth

2006-11-26 05:59:36

I know Crohn's is caused by Mycobacterium because the bacteria is undectabel.
To be completely honest with you Liz the reason why the bacteria cannot be
tested is the same reason why almost all the different bacteria 's, for
different inflammatory disease's are not detecable for their respective so
called auto immune disease's. The bacteria resemble the same amino acid
structure as a gene in the body and that's where the inflammation comes from.
There was a good but small sample of trials done with antibiotics Rifabutin and
Clairithromycin where the subjects are acheived almost full remission and that's
because the trial did not allow the subjects to take the drugs long enough . I
'm sorry if you trying to find a test that will find the bacteria you may well
wait many years and possibly never if the doctor's have anything to do with
it.Crohn's is not a complicated disease as many of these disease's are not don't
let Doctors hype up all the different Treaments. If you would like to talk about
this more in depth name a time and place where we can meet in the chat room and
discuss it properly . I have read more studies on Crohn's than any one i've meet
and i 'm sure you would have some excitting info too.Mail me back if you want to
converse a little more in depth on a chat place and time . Thanks for
responding !!!

Hello from mexico

2006-11-25 22:18:27

Hello everyone,Rocio here,I hope and i`ll pray for those how are having or will
have surgery we all are with you!!!everything gonna be just fine...
Julie:I think if you don`t like vegetables a lot why don`t you try something I
discover once...example I put everything fresk not
cook,pineapple,orange,celery,maybe lemon (the green one),or
banana,strawberry,watermelon,orange, or carrot,orange and a lot of green lemon
with a little bit of salt is delicious,or carrots,celery,tomate,lemon,etc maybe
if you combine fruits and vegetables they`ll be not so bad.Just try and maybe is
fun for you.
Jani:hi! and sorry about your pain I`ve been with hip pains once and is awful so
why don`t you try some natural thing they are telling in the group like enbrel
or boswe...,or maybe why don`t you take something I use to take name in spanish
(sorry) dolac or feldene or artrhotec,they only are analgesics 1 pill every 6
hrs.until the pain has gone (this is from my MDRA)hopeI help in something.Good
luck.
Karen:welcome to the group I`m new too but maybe you already read my story,talk
about yours.
I`m almost 32 I live in Mexico City and I have RA since I was 28 more or less or
maybe before I have hip,toes,finger joins of my hands almost paralise from the
pain I`m since 3 months ago taking Methotexatre 2 pills at the morning and one
at night once a week with a little bit of analgesic only if I have more pain and
since then I don`t have any pain I hope is for more than just a few months.I`m
only wainting to have my MDRA opinion to take the Anthibiotic Therapy because he
doesn`y agree so because he said I`m in the first stages and for him I doesn`t
need them so I have to think about it because somebody told in the group that
finally it`s my decision and it`s my life and my body so I don`t know what am I
gonna do.If you need something here I am you can write to this address or to
lunadelvillarrocio@... if you want to. Hugs.
Maria:Hello,I do speak better my language than english so if you want you can
gave my address to your argentina`s friend so we can talk much better and maybe
I can be helpful to them.Hugs and be welcome you and your friends to write me.
Brianwood:Hello! I hear something you were saying about methotexatre could you
please tell me more????because if you read this you can see that my MD is giving
me.So I wolud like to know what about it or what do you think! thanks a lot.
LizG: Cheer up!!!!!!!!!!! I think I feel that way before or maybe I have to ask
my family how was it because they are the ones who can tell.A very good thing to
cheer up is to think in how wonderful life is and in beatiful things ONLY.Maybe
life is not treating us like the way we want but here we are at last we are a
live!!!maybe is easy for me to say that but please only try.and if you have a
family or children maybe they can help more.Here I am if you need something only
talk or cry sometimes is good very good if we cry until tears are empty don`t
you think so????well sorry for the rest of the group because this is a a really
LOOOOOOONG mail.hugs and good luck for everyone.Rocio

Mark Siebert

2006-11-25 15:49:04

Hello Mark , i take you are very excitted about what is going on with me. Don't
worry i am as well. Levaquin is the antibiotic Levofoxacin from the quinolone
family of antibiotics it is only made in the States by a pharmacuetical company
called
Ortho-Mcneil . We get here in Canada and it has the strongest quality for
killing Klebsiella . I do not take at the same time as Ciprofloxacin which is
the older brother drug of this antibiotic. The stuff is gold is has barely any
side compared to most antibiotics and the most effective in killing gram
negative bacteria. It is however very expensive $5.14 plus 15% taxes here in
Canada for only a 250 mg pill
as they do not make 500's mg. Anyway will have to meet on a chat line to discuss
all of this stuff cause you like i did , are gonna have alot of questions about
all of this .But remember one thing this protocol took me almost 7-8 months
working around the clock cuz then i had no job so i hope you have some cash to
spend on these drugs !! Not to scare you off but we really have to talk on a
chat you name the time and the place and i will meet you there. See ya for now!!

ARTICLE ON VITAMIN D

2006-11-25 11:41:05

CAMBRIDGE, UNITED KINGDOM. Scientists in Europe and the United States continue
to warn of the widespread incidence of vitamin D deficiency especially among
housebound and elderly people and among people who avoid sun exposure or use
excessive amounts of sunscreen. A recent survey in the United States found
that 57 per cent of the patients on a general medical ward in a Massachusetts
hospital suffered from some degree of vitamin D deficiency. Dr. J.E. Compston,
a consultant physician and lecturer at Cambridge University, says that the
current recommended daily intakes of vitamin D (400 IU/day for adults and 600
IU/day for those aged 71 years and over) are too low and that people,
especially the elderly need to take vitamin D supplements in order to reduce
their risk of osteoporosis and hip fractures. Dr. Compston suggests a daily
supplement of 800 IU (20 micrograms) of vitamin D. He points out that this
dosage is entirely safe, free of side effects, and could have a significant
impact on reducing the enormous and increasing incidence of osteoporatic
fractures.

juicers

2006-11-25 06:50:33

Hi All
I've been thinking about trying the diet argrrrr anyway I'm not much of
a veg eater, fruit yes, but 5 servings of veg I can't do that. So I
thought maybe I could cheat alittle and just juice up abunch of veg and
chug-a-lug it, eat popcorn for fiber. I can't see why it wouldn't work
so does anyone have suggestions on a good juicer.
Thanks Julie

Thanks and a question

2006-11-25 02:12:17

Thank you all for your welcomes and for filling me in on the downside of
newsgroups. I'm new at all this and really appreciate the patience and support
and knowledge you are sharing and hope I didn't stir up any sour memories of
past abuses. Now I've got a medical question for you all. I'm flaring big time
right now. Every muscle and joint is hurting, I've got about 100 fever and I
keep crying over the stupidest things. I know all this is to be expected and is
a good sign for the treatment, but yuck! I was wondering if anyone has any
suggestions about something for depression. I can't take prescription
anti-depressants, they're too strong for me and mess me up good. And I can't
exercise because I just feel too lousy to face the pain right now. Any hot tips
for raising the serotonin levels gently? LizG

ARTHRITIS LINKS and books

2006-11-24 18:12:42

As people keep asking for different links and I dont always have time to go to
the page and hunt up
the link, here is the page they are on. Also check out the bookstore on this
site. All the books we
have talked about and that group members have recommended are there. For those
who are new and dont
realize it, this is sorta a sister site to the rheumatic.org page but is more
informal and also has
pictures of many of the group there. The important links that the group finds
are added to the links
page regularly.
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/books.htm
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm
Sarah
AP Support Group:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/
Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

Mentioning antiobiotics on alt.support groups

2006-11-24 11:14:10

S C said that mentioning antiobiotics on the newsgroups is met with incredible
hostility and hate mail. I just wanted to say that I have been posting on
alt.support.arthritis for about a month now and am on the AP, as are several
others there. I have never been treated with anything but the utmost respect
and compassion there. This is not meant to contradict any personal experience
that you have had, SC but I would hate to see anyone miss out on an opportunity
for additional support because of this. Of course, you've got to respect their
stuff too and they are understandably leery of all unconventional treatments as
so many of us have been let down by meds and remedies. Hope you don't get mad
at me for saying this, I just couldn't let this go by without commenting on it
as they have all been so nice to me there, in fact that is where I found out
about the rheumatic.org website. Sincerely LizG PS This is probably not the
case with many of the ng's as SC said, there are so many sick people out there,
and I don't mean physically ill :)

What I learnt

2006-11-24 09:41:53

This is really sweet. Hope you like it.
Paula

hello from mexico

2006-11-23 23:06:55

Hello everyone sorry for not answering on the weekend but I was disconnected
from my e-mail company.So here I`m again in the battle:
Ray:thanks A LOT for your recommendations I`ll do it A.S.A.P. and I`ll also talk
to my MD today for his opinion about the anthibiotics;talk to you later to tell
you what happend.Good Luck You too and Have a Nice Day.Tell me more about you to
this address or to lunadelvillarrocio@...
Paul Try:welcome back,I`m new here but congratulations on your advances!!!!maybe
I`ll gonna start the Anthibiotic T.this week so I`ll tell what happend in the
way.I`m from Mexico City and I hope talk to you more often.Good luck and have a
nice day.
Lisbeth: Thanks for your answering and I`ll send an e-mail to your friend don`t
worry.You can also write to both address one is for the office and the other for
my house either way I have both in both places so you can write whatever and
whenever you want.
Answering to your questions our family business is medical laboratory but I
didn`t study anything about the business I study Advertising nothing to do with
it.But I`m here in Cuernavaca for my baby and to support my family if they need
anything.
My baby is a baby boy he is 18 months and he is so big and so lovely and so
great baby (you new I`m his mother) his name is Diego Emiliano and I`m the
proudest and happiest mother in all the world,maybe I`m gonna sound like a song
but he is the light of my day,my night my life...he is the most wonderful thing
ever happend in all my entire life in a few words he is everything to me and I`m
deepest in love with him.So that`s why I have to think what`s the best for
him.Well talk to you soon hugs and have a nice day you too and to all the
group.Rocio

Celebrex info here

2006-11-23 13:49:38

Celebrex is a new anti-inflammatory drug which is a cox-2 inhibitor and its aim
is to avoid the gastric side effects of nsaids by blocking the inflammatory
reaction further downstream than conventional nsaids mfg info at
www.searlehealthnet.com/pr/pi-html.html
I haven't tried it yet but reports from another support group I participate in
say it is like the other nsaids, works well for some, not for others. There are
other nsaids coming out soon that will target other inflammatory reactions
downstream too, still in the testing stage. Hope this helps, sorry no info in
Spanish, perhaps a translation program would help or they can get someone to
translate for them. This is not a disease modifying drug, only an
anti-inflammatory. Sincerely, LizG

skin fungi and antibiotics

2006-11-23 13:04:42

OK all you biologists out there how about giving the rest of us a lesson
about the fungi family. My question is does taking antibiotics long term
make you more susceptible to skin fungi such as ringworm? I have just
cleared up an itchy patch on the bottom of my foot using antifungal cream
and now have a very itchy red circle on my ankle.I've never had this sort of
thing before so am wondering if it is connected to antibiotics in the same
way as yeast infections (apparently yeasts are fungi - according to my husband).
Barbara

Celebrex help...

2006-11-23 00:34:24

Hi all, Maria here. I've been writing to a woman and her mother in Argentina.
The Mom has RA, and pretty severe, from what I gather. I sent her the
protocol in Spanish, and she's reviewing it with her doc. She's asking about
Celebrex, because they're promoting it a lot in Argentina. She's wondering
What is it? What's it consist of?
How does it work (how often do you take it, dosages, etc.)?
What are the good effects?
What are the bad effects?
Is there someone she can write to to get more info?
She only speaks Spanish, but maybe there's an "international" site?
I don't know much about it because I don't take it. I know some of you do,
and I'd appreciate any info you can give me to pass on to her. Thanks!!!

hi guys and thanks

2006-11-22 21:14:10

Hello everyone again, mean did i get alot of email after posting that "hello
all" one.
Anyway thanks to everyone for their responses. I will tell the people with AS
and Crohn's that i had it bad and now i am doing well because of the drugs i
researched and the ways i had to get them. I take Levaquin 500 mg 3 times per
day 3 days per week for the AS, and for about 2-4 months i will do this and then
cipro and them mino or bactrim to finish off the dosage and achieve full
remission.I also take clairithromycin 500 mg three times per week with 300 mg
Mycobutin(Rifabutin)
to combat the crohn's which is really mycobacterium tuberculosis but again Dr's
don't understand. My sed rate went from about 17-18 daily to 0-5 each day now,
and i have only been taking the drugs for about 3-4 months.
These drugs are really hard to get as Levaquin is only made by ortho-mcneil and
Rifabutin is not perscribed by any Doc unless you are practically dieing.
Foreign mail order Pharmacies do not carry these drugs either as they are very
new on the market and very expensive. But i have found other means in which I am
not going to mention but it is my quality of life which is at stake, so i am
open to talk to with anyone.But I am now unlike three months ago a very busy
person with a new job at AT&T in which i can afford to spend these thousands of
dollars on the drugs. I am really looking for a mail order pharmcy that has
Levaquin and Rifabutin so if anyone knows of one or would like to join my quest
in fighting AS and helping with it, this is very vital info. Please email me if
you dedicated to finding these drugs as we only won't be helping ourselves but
also many others.Let's all fight AS together . Thanks to everyone and a little
of my hard work i actually have something to live for again and i am not in
constant pain anymore. Colleen, Kathryn and everyone thanks for the
encouragement i hope to help many others.
Bye now all and i will check my email again tommorrow as i may not have time
again because of my job. I feel great and i hope alot of other people here are
feelling good to !

Article from Today's Washington Post

2006-11-22 20:04:33

Studies Widen Role of Germs in Disease
By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 1, 1999; Page A1
From gallstones to arthritis to heart disease, many
illnesses long presumed
to have roots in genes or lifestyle may be caused largely
by infectious
agents, a growing number of scientists believe. That
prospect is raising the
intriguing possibility that people can "catch" kidney
stones, cerebral palsy
or Alzheimer's disease.
Most of the evidence remains circumstantial. A microbe
may be
suspiciously present in people who have a disease, for
example, and not in
those who don't - suggesting, but not proving, causality.
But for some conditions - including heart disease, the
nation's top killer -
many scientists feel certain that microbes play at least
a contributing role
where none was suspected previously. Last week,
researchers announced
that they had discovered a molecular mechanism by which
mice can get
heart disease from a bacterium. And high-tech tests have
been picking up
previously undetectable bacterial "fingerprints" in
people with other
chronic conditions, strengthening the case that microbes
are the hidden
perpetrators in those diseases as well.
The implications of the new theory are enormous,
researchers say. Most
important, it suggests that vaccines or antibiotics may
have an
unexpectedly big role to play in the treatment of chronic
diseases that
today are treated with only modest success through
lifestyle changes, such
as exercise and improved diet.
"If an infectious agent is responsible for even a portion
of these diseases,
that could change the outlook for treatment and
prevention dramatically,"
said Barry Bloom, dean of the Harvard School of Public
Health. "I see
chronic disease as the next frontier for vaccines."
Bloom and others cautioned against placing too much blame
on bacteria.
For most chronic diseases, they are probably just part of
the puzzle, they
said. And the prospect of widespread, long-term use of
powerful
antibiotics carries its own problems, including the
possible emergence of
drug-resistant "superbugs." Attractive though the idea
may be, a pill or
shot will not likely allow people to ignore everything
they have learned
about how to remain healthy into old age.
"The bacteria by themselves are not going to give us the
only useful
answers," said Janice Kiecolt-Glaser of Ohio State
University, who
studies the effects of stress on health. "You could have
the bug, and if
resistance is altered by stress or other factors, you
could be more prone
to not healing or to the infection progressing."
Nonetheless, said Anne Schuchat, chief of the respiratory
diseases branch
at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
in Atlanta,
chronic conditions such as heart disease take such a big
toll on society that
even a modest contribution by bacteria deserves to be
targeted. "Even if
there are still a lot of questions," she said, "it's
really worth a lot of
attention."
The revolution began about five years ago, when
definitive evidence arose
that stomach ulcers are caused not by excess stomach
acid, as had long
been presumed, but by the bacterium Helicobacter pylori.
It wasn't easy persuading the scientific community to
accept the new
model. Barry Marshall, an Australian scientist with a
flair for theatrics,
resorted to swallowing a beaker of the bacteria to help
settle the question.
Today, ulcers are treated primarily with antibiotics
instead of
acid-blocking drugs.
Infectious disease specialists now are turning their
attention to coronary
artery disease, which is caused by a progressive buildup
of fatty deposits
inside vessels that feed the heart. Scientists have long
known that diabetes,
high blood pressure, tobacco use and a family history of
the disease
increase a person's odds of artery disease and the risk
of a subsequent
heart attack or stroke. But those factors account for
only about half the
incidence of this disease.
Several lines of research support the proposition that a
microbe might
cause coronary artery disease. In 1997, Boston
researchers showed that
men with higher levels of a certain protein circulating
in their blood over a
period of years had an increased risk of eventually
suffering a heart attack
or stroke. The protein is a well-known sign of
inflammation, which can
indicate a bacterial infection.
Separately, Joseph B. Muhlestein of the LDS Hospital in
Salt Lake City
and his colleagues discovered that a peculiar bacterium,
Chlamydia
pneumoniae, often can be found inside blood vessel cells
of people with
heart disease - but not generally in the cells of healthy
people.
C. pneumoniae - a close cousin of C. trachomatis, which
causes a
common sexually transmitted disease - is best known as a
cause of
pneumonia and bronchitis. It is unlike most other
bacteria because it lives
not on cells but inside them, much as a virus does.
It is possible that the microbe is just an innocent
bystander - a bacterium
that feels at home in arteries damaged by years of
hamburger consumption
and a lack of exercise. But rabbits on fatty diets
develop hardening of the
arteries much faster when they are infected with C.
pneumoniae,
suggesting that the microbes actively contribute to the
disease.
A study published in the journal Science last Friday
offered the best
evidence yet for precisely how chlamydia may cause heart
disease. A
protein found on chlamydia, it turns out, is almost
identical to one found in
heart tissue in mammals. Scientists discovered that when
a mouse's
immune system attacks the bug, it accidentally attacks
the heart protein,
too. The resulting syndrome is not exactly the same as
human heart
disease, said Josef M. Penninger, the University of
Toronto immunologist
who led the study. But the similarities have convinced
him that something
very much like this may be causing heart disease in
people.
If Penninger is right, then heart disease might be
prevented or even
reversed by a drug that tempered the immune system's
reaction to
chlamydia. Scientists trying to create a vaccine against
chlamydia would
face a challenge, however. Vaccines work by stimulating
the immune
system and could inadvertently trigger the immune
response that causes
heart disease.
If the microbe, and not the immune response against it,
causes heart
disease directly then antibiotics might prove useful. Two
studies in people
have indicated that a short course of antibiotics known
to kill chlamydia
can reduce the risk of a heart attack or stroke for up to
18 months.
Another study was unable to verify the benefit and other
studies are
ongoing.
Heart disease is not the only chronic disease in which C.
pneumoniae may
play a role. Neuroscientist Brian Balin of the
Philadelphia College of
Osteopathic Medicine and his colleagues have found signs
of the microbe
in 27 of 29 autopsied brains of people with Alzheimer's
disease, but in
only one of 19 brains from non-Alzheimer's patients.
The bacteria, found in so-called glial cells that
surround neurons, may be
"opportunists" taking advantage of dying brains, Balin
said. But studies
indicate that they can cause Alzheimer-like damage. "I
think it's definitely
an agent that has to be considered as a potential
causative or at least a
risk factor for Alzheimer's disease," he said.
Gallstones and kidney stones recently have been added to
the list of
diseases that might have microbiological roots. Studies
led by Phillip B.
Hylemon of the Medical College of Virginia in Richmond,
for example,
showed that gallstone patients have 100- to 1,000-fold
higher levels of
Clostridia and eubacteria in their intestines. Those
bacteria generate
deoxycholic acid, which prompts the liver to secrete bile
especially rich in
cholesterol - a key risk factor for gallstone formation.
In one encouraging
finding, antibiotics have been shown to lower the
concentration of these
bacteria in people and decrease bile levels to below the
threshold needed
to make gallstones.
Last summer, Finnish researchers reported provocative
evidence that
"nanobacteria" - smaller than many viruses - may be a
cause of kidney
stones. Using genetic fingerprinting tests and other
methods, they found
that the bacteria can build a mineralized coating around
themselves, upon
which additional proteins and minerals can accumulate. In
one study of 30
kidney stones, all had traces of nanobacteria in their
cores. DNA studies
suggest that the nanobacteria are related to a small,
slow-growing,
rod-shaped bacteria known to cause abortions in animals
and blood
poisoning in people.
Juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, generally considered an
immune system
disorder, also may be caused by a microbe, although the
evidence remains
indirect. The proposed culprit is Mycoplasma pneumoniae,
a common
cause of "atypical pneumonia" in people. In a 17-year
Canadian study,
diagnoses of the disease peaked in the same years as M.
pneumoniae
infections did.
Some researchers suspect that scleroderma, a painful
chronic disease
affecting connective tissues under the skin, also may be
caused by
mycoplasma. A recent U.S. study found a virtually
complete
disappearance of symptoms in four of six patients treated
for one year
with an anti-mycoplasma antibiotic called minocycline.
Cerebral palsy, too, may prove to be infectious. That
disease, which
affects about 500,000 Americans and is characterized by
brain damage at
birth, was long believed to have been caused by oxygen
deprivation
before or during birth. But a study last year suggested
that infected
amniotic fluid may often be to blame.
Researchers have not isolated a particular microbe from
newborns with
cerebral palsy. But a technique being studied by David
Relman at
Stanford University may help scientists find the cause of
that and other
diseases for which there is evidence of infection but no
isolated microbe.
Relman is using DNA fingerprinting methods to find tiny
fragments of
microbial DNA in cells of people with various diseases.
Some scientists suspect that such tests will reveal
infectious causes for
more and more chronic diseases. "They will pop up in all
kinds of places,"
the University of Toronto's Penninger said.
Attractive as the emerging evidence is, not everyone is
so sure. To a
microbiologist, the world can sometimes seem full of
"infectious agents in
search of a disease," said Schuchat of the CDC. "How much
is real and
how much is a fad remains to be seen."
© Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company

Washington Post Article: Disease Linked to Germs

2006-11-22 13:02:00

Dear Group,
Karen, here (two-year lurker.) I was so excited this morning when I
sat down to eat breakfast with my two girls and there staring at me
from the Washington Post was an article on the front page with the
headline about diseases linked to diseases. They start off talking
about heart disease but then go on to talk about juvenile rheumatoid
arthritis as well as scleroderma. Here is a small excerpt:
"Juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, generally considered an immune system
disorder, also may be caused by a microbe, although the evidence
remains indirect. The proposed culprit is Mycoplasma pneumoniae, a
common
cause of "atypical pneumonia" in people. In a 17-year Canadian
study,diagnoses of the disease peaked in the same years as M.
pneumoniae infections did.
Some researchers suspect that scleroderma, a painful chronic
disease affecting connective tissues under the skin, also may be
caused by mycoplasma. A recent U.S. study found a virtually complete
disappearance of symptoms in four of six patients treated for
one year with an anti-mycoplasma antibiotic called minocycline. "
The following URL has the whole article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/march99/germs.htm
Happy Reading! (I know I was!)
Sincerely,
Karen No Diagnosis, AP- 2 years in May

unscribe

2006-11-22 05:12:57

we would like to unscribe for a while, thanks
donchris@...

Iv's glass bottle vs. plastic

2006-11-22 01:04:22

Just FYI: A blurb from Dr. Mercola on the IV bag issues in the news of late.
My doctor has always used glass.
Donna
Ottawa, Canada
Scleroderma, Raynaud's 01/95, AP 10/97
(My Story) www.compmore.net/~donray
==============
IS YOUR IV GLASS OR PLASTIC?
Environmentalists have begun campaigning against a type of plastic by arguing
that medical IV bags can leach a possibly carcinogenic chemical into ill
patients. PVC, or polyvinyl chloride, is a plastic used in countless products
from shower curtains to medical devices. Environmentalists dislike it because
the manufacture and incineration of PVC can cause dioxin pollution.
"Plasticizers" make PVC flexible. The government classifies one such chemical,
called DEHP, as a probable human carcinogen, based on studies of animals given
high doses. Many of the nation's 500 million IV bags are made of PVC plastic and
thus contain DEHP. The FDA has long known that some DEHP can leach from the bags
into certain intravenous medicines, blood and liquid nutrition mixes. Indeed,
the government does not allow drugs like the chemotherapy Taxol to be given in
PVC bags.
COMMENT: Most environmental doctors have recognized this for many years.
Although using glass IV bottles is certainly riskier with respect to the
potential of broken glass, it is far safer to use. If you are getting IVs
regularly, you will want to make certain that they are administered in glass
bottles. It may be hassle for the physicians and nurses, but they are available.

exit

2006-11-21 14:58:31

please take me off of the mailing list.

ARTICLE ON THE IMPORTANCE OF LIVER HEALTH TO HEALING

2006-11-21 12:16:05

The Importance of the Liver for Healing
Karl Maret, M.D.
<<The liver is so basic to health that unless its function can be improved, many
patients will not experience significant and lasting improvement on a
nutritional or holistic healing program. The liver is important because a
person's nutritional level is not only determined by what he or she eats, but by
what the liver processes. The liver is the central organ of general anabolic
metabolism, in fact is "the archetypal organ of life that lives entirely in
anabolism." 1 Yet it is extremely difficult to detect early warning symptoms
specific to liver metabolic imbalances since it is quite a "forgiving" organ
that can withstand a myriad of abuse before capitulating and giving-up the
fight. Rudolf Steiner pointed this out in lectures early in this century, when
he stated, "It is quite difficult to diagnose when the liver is not in order,
and frequently one is unaware of it because the liver is the single organ that
doesn't hurt when something is wrong with it. People can suffer for a long time
from a liver ailment without knowing of it." Since rhythm is the key to all
healing, we must look at what rhythms operate so powerfully in the liver. The
liver is most active in rebuilding the body during the night. Within the context
of the daily circadian rhythm, we note that the liver has a biphasic rhythm,
with the assimilatory phase beginning at 3 PM in the afternoon and reaching its
maximum at 3 AM, whereupon the liver begins to enter its secretory phase for the
next 12 hours. This is further confirmed in the Chinese medical system where the
liver meridian is most active between 1 3 AM. That is one of the reasons why
it is unhealthy to eat our main meal or very large meals, late at night.
Additionally, much of the food eaten late in the day is simply stored as fat and
tends to predispose us to obesity. (Just picture a generation of TV-watching
couch potatoes suffering from late night calorie-loading and ponder the effects
on their collective livers!)
Many people who wake up in the middle of the night actually have an underlying
weak liver and would do well to undertake a liver cleansing program. In Western
medicine, we are taught that early morning awakening is often a sign of
depression. The Greeks knew about this already 2000 years ago when they called
depression by the name "melancholia", which literally translated means "black
bile" (melanos = black, choler = bile). If the liver becomes sluggish and
metabolically underactive, then the bile flow produced by the liver becomes
stagnant (symbolically turns "black"). Depression is often a symptom of bad
liver function. Other symptoms of liver imbalance include anxiety and anger,
especially suppressed anger. These symptoms are so commonplace today in the
general population that one wonders if we are not seeing an epidemic of liver
stress, and metabolic imbalance brought on by the onslaught of the stresses of
modern life, and the deadening effects of our technological civilization. Yet we
must never forget that the "LIVER" takes its name from life, and not from the
death processes in the body, otherwise, it would have been named "Deather"!
The liver is the central organ of detoxification in the body. If it becomes
sluggish then the toxins in the body will begin to congest the lymphatics and a
greater strain will eventually be imposed on the four major organs of
elimination: the colon which removes our solid wastes (Earth element), the
kidneys which remove our liquid wastes (Water element), the lungs which remove
our gaseous wastes (Air element) and our skin which also excretes our wastes
when we heat up and sweat (Fire element).
The body follows a system of priorities when it eliminates wastes and poisons.
All books of natural healing stress that health begins in the digestive system
and colon. For example, if a person eats a detrimental diet, the stomach fails
to digest it properly. Most people call this stage "indigestion". This, then,
becomes a problem for the colon as fermentation and putrifaction occur. This is
called flatulence or "colic". The poisonous wastes in the colon then affect the
liver as they pass into the portal blood circulation from the colon. The liver
must then take time from its other important functions to detoxify these gases
and toxic metabolites and then pass these along to the kidneys (also lungs and
skin) for elimination. All this because the pecan pie with ice-cream went down
on top of a piece of steak or fish! It sounds like just a small thing, but here
lies the major root of all chronic diseases. Remember it was the father of
medicine, the Greek physician Hippocrates, who said 2000 years ago: Let food be
thy medicine, and medicine be thy food!
The thousands of enzyme systems that are responsible for virtually every body
activity are constructed in the liver. The proper functioning of the eyes, the
heart, the brain, the gonads, the joints, and the kidneys, are all dependent on
good liver activity. If the liver is impaired from constructing even one of the
thousands of enzyme systems the body requires, there is an impairment in overall
body function and a resultant greater metabolic stress on the individual. By
supporting the stomach and small intestines (digestion, enzymes), the colon
(elimination) and the liver (body's chief metabolic organ) we can break the
cycle of toxic stress that often afflicts our body, and help to build a new
foundation for optimum health. By giving a liver stimulating herbal or
homeopathic formula in the morning and a liver rebuilding formula at night, we
properly assist the body's natural healing rhythms. As health (and not
disease-care) practitioners, if we neglect to improve the liver functions of our
patients, we often fail to achieve the goal of their optimum health and
well-being. The toxic by-products of bowel fermentation and putrifaction are
actually carcinogens and dangerous gases that severely tax the liver's
neutralizing efforts. If we add to this the vast number of pesticides,
environmental pollutants, food chemicals and additives, heavy metals, drugs and
water-borne chemicals, not to mention the growing number of mutating bacteria,
viruses, fungi and parasites, we can readily see why our liver is rapidly losing
the battle. Never before in human history have we faced such an internal
environmental catastrophe. It is no wonder that the incidence of cancer is three
times higher in the current generation of baby boomers than in their parents! By
enhancing the liver's function, it will be possible for the liver to detoxify
both itself and the body within the daily rhythms of body function and thus
avoid the need for drastic therapies and excessive cleansing reactions. As the
liver function increases, the liver's own inherent cleansing mechanisms work
more effectively. What do we need to cleanse our body most effectively? The
answer is pure water. This brings us to a final point to ponder: What is the
link between the liver and water? This question is seldom asked. Again we owe it
to the genius of Steiner's spiritual vision to find a hint worthy of further
investigation. In Spiritual Science and Medicine he states, "There is a
dependence of the liver's health and activity on the special quality of the
water in a given locality. In order to comprehend the exact state of liver
health of any local group of persons, the composition of the local water ought
to be studied." Our destruction of the subtle qualities carried within water has
been the most extreme in this century and we are now paying a terrible price for
this abuse. Water is the carrier of the formative (etheric) forces and the liver
is one of the most watery organs in the body being only slightly more dense than
blood itself. The technological attack upon our drinking water will in the
future be seen to have had the most dire consequences for the public health of
humanity and deserves immediate study and remediation. But to understand the
issues at stake here, one needs to study water with the eyes of a spiritual
scientist and strive to fathom the mysteries of the world of formative forces.
That is the challenge of the coming Age of Aquarius, the Age of the
"Waterbearer", that we are increasingly approaching.

Hip pain

2006-11-21 05:59:04

I am having really bad pain in my hip and nothing I do seems to give me any
relief. Does any one have any suggestions, thanks.
Hugs, Jani

More Questions

2006-11-21 02:32:04

Thanks to all of you so much for your responses! I have been so busy trying
to read all the email that I have been unable to get in my head what I need to
ask about. My wife's name is Linda but right now she's a little computer shy and
also the "diet" talk has scared her as she (and I) has a chocolate sweet tooth I
believe. We both tried the Protein Power diet (low carb diet) over the past
summer and both lost some weight and felt better but have relented quite a bit
lately.
Someone mentioned a doctor in Nashville, TN as a possibility. That wouldn't
be too bad (about 3.5 hours away). We want to check with our local doctor first
to see if he would be willing to prescribe the antibotics for us and monitor
progress. I doubt if her "rheumy" will approve of the AP either or he wouldn't
have her on Plaquenil now but I thought we should give him a try first. Current
medication is Naproxen 500mg twice a day, Predisone 2 mg once a day, and
Plaquenil 200 mg twice a day (prescribed but she has cut back to 100 mg every
other day). Two questions: 1. Should she get off the Plaquenil immediately in
anticipation of starting the AP or taper off gradually? 2. Several of you
mentioned the Protocol - Is this Dr. Linda Martin's or does the doctor(s) the
group has access to developed one which someone could send us? Again thanks for
the encouragement and may God Bless You.

Joke; Bum with arthritis

2006-11-20 17:36:15

Subject: Bum

prep for surgery--Lisbeth's friend

2006-11-20 12:21:14

The only thing I thought of was that if she is on the diet explained on the
rheum website that perhaps she should pack herself a goodie bag of allowed foods
as the diet in hospitals is usually laden with dairy and wheat.
Also make sure she is well hydrated and pack in water if she doesn't drink
chlorinated. And don't forget topical creams like capsacinif she uses them
regularly, as they usually don't have these available.

SURGERY - URGENT HELP PLEASE

2006-11-20 04:30:40

Hi,
One of our group who is not able to participate as much as she would like is
going to have surgery and wonders if anyone could help her out with what she can
do to help build her system up before having this done.
As it's imminent I (and she) would be very grateful if you could post me with
any suggestions asap :-))).
Thanks,
hugs,
lisbeth

ARTICLE ON DETOXIFICATION PROGRAMS

2006-11-19 21:55:14

To see Dr Haas MD detailed articles
on detoxification and healing go to the
following URL:

allergies, rheumatic diseases

2006-11-19 17:54:34

hello everyone,
Seeing to there is alot of talk about histamines, allergies and arthritis, I
think you will all enjoy this site. Read each section through and you may
find yourselves in that. I know I did.
Kathryn

Bone thinning

2006-11-19 08:44:37

Hi Laney,
Well, since you asked... I had a bone density test done to see how my
bones were doing from being on high doses of Prednisone for about 2 years now.
My spine is fine, but my forearm and my hip are not. I'm half way to
osteoporosis, and I'm only 34. So, doc gave me a prescription to counteract
the bone thinning. If you've been through menopause they can give you
estrogen, but for me that would mess me up. So, here I go taking another
medication to counteract the side effects from the medication I'm taking to
counteract the effects of my illness!!!
I hope you get out of that wheel chair soon! This past December I was
almost there. It's so strange to be able to walk one month and not be able to
get out of a chair the next. Hopefully you'll be up and around soon! Never
give up, because with the AP you will be walking sooner or later. If you
don't give up, it'll be sooner rather than later!
Hugs,
Maria
In a message dated 2/27/99 6:17:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jnenorth writes:
<< Hi Maria,
Been gone a while and boy are there a stack of emails. :)
Hope you can get lower on prednisone, too. I have never been above 10mg--I'm
afraid of it and don't see a Rheumatologist. But I am also in a wheelchair
now--since last march, so maybe if I would have increased it...who knows. But
what about bone thinning?--that's what I'm worried about. Have you noticed
side effects?
Laney

Klebsiella &amp; AS

2006-11-19 00:34:41

I suffer from Ankylosing Spondylitis and am currently taking Minocin 3 days a
week as per the AP.
However I am beginning to wonder if minocin alone is enough as other AS
patients have been suggesting that the klebsiella bacteria is the culprit for
AS and I should be taking Zithromax or Levaquin to counter this.
Any ideas? Would other AS people please respond, especially those who have had
benefits from the AP.
Regards. Simon.

Important Book !

2006-11-18 17:38:56

Last night at Barnes and Noble, I was torturing myself by looking at books on
arthritis (LOL). BUT..........I found this incredible book I can't wait to
read. Do any of you know about it? It's called "Why Arthritis" and is
written by Harold W. Clark, Ph.D. and subtitled "Searching for the Cause and
Cure for Rheumatic Disease."
He did research with Dr. Brown! And this book talks about the discovery of
antibiotic treatment and the research on it and why it took the "medical
establishment 40 years to recognize it." It looks fabulous. It is in
paperback and is published by Axelrod publishing of Tampa Bay in 1997. It
looks like it may be self-published after the Road Back was re-issued and that
he wanted to say his piece.
You can get the book for $18.95 and $3.00 shipping from his institute:
THe Mycoplasma Research Institute
PO Box 640040
Beverly Hills, Florida 34464-0040
Do you guys know about him or the book? Let me know what you think.
Susan

Histidine

2006-11-18 13:21:26

HI all,
I forgot to add that in addition to the histidine I have added a product
called aller-response ( contains quercetin, ginkgo, bromelain, nettle root,
licorace root, zinc, and several vitamins.) I had cut my prednisone this
week from 5 mg to 2.5 and suffered NO ill effects as far as additional
pain or stiffness( knock on wood!) . Something is really helping. It sure
is making the doxi easier to live with!
Leslie

Histidine and RA

2006-11-18 07:41:41

Hi Group,
For several months I have had a really hard time with morning stiffness
and lots of pain since switching to doxi.
Last summer I wrote the group about how I noticed when I took Tylenol Sinus
I felt so much relief from stiffness and pain that didn't occur when I took
regular Tylenol. Four or five people wrote me that they had found the same
to be true. This made me wonder if an allergy was involved with my RA.
After doing a good bit of digging about allerigies and arthritis, I kept
coming up with how RA was an allergic reaction within the body and was a
hypersensitive state ( I think this is true also of the antibioitic
reaction to the mycos ). One thing led to another and I kept reading about
the amino acid L-histidine. This is what I found..
***Histidine has been used to help alleviate the symptoms of RA
***Researchers have found ABNORMALLY LOW levels of histidine in people who
have RA
***Histidine boosts the activiy of suppressor T Cells
***histidine is involved in a wide range of metabolic processes involving
blood cell production ( in hemoglobin)
***histidine acts as a metal chelating agent
***it is improtant in the production of red and white blood cells to
regulate antibody activity
***it maintains myelin sheaths which surrounds and insulates nerves
***is required for the production of histimine
*** helps dilated blood vessels
*** has been successfully used in allergies, arthritis, anemia, and other
conditions
This was enough to make me try it. After much searching I found the amino
acid in an organic foods shop. I started it last Sat.
For over a month, I have not been able to get out of the tub by myself,
had to walk down the deck steps with both feet on each step,brush my hair ,
couldn't make a fist for almost three hours, and many other symptoms of
morning stiffness. My shoulders were so stiff it hurt to move them.
I now am able to get up and down using my knees with no problem, I can
make a fist in less than 15 minutes after getting out of bed and can use
one foot on each step.
I am assuming that the histidine is helping the blood flow which is helping
tremendouly with the morning stiffness. Tonight I took the drill and
worked on some cabinets that were WAY over my head!
I have noticed a slight difference in my pain levels but it is incredible
how the morning stiffness has improved.
I have saved some files that I found. If anyone is interested let me know
and I will send them to you.
Leslie

hello all

2006-11-18 07:39:05

my name is paul troy and some of you may remember me when this mailing list
first started by last year, anyway i have AS with Crohn's and i have been doing
great . I now take mycobutin and clairthromycin for the crohn's three days a
week and the amazing levaquin for the AS, I have almost acheived 100 % remission
like Kinghorn and many others. I've gone from sitting in a bed in pain to almost
playing
sports regularily again, a few rheumy's are real angry cuz i have nearly healed
myself and in 2-3 years they are going to have to go back to school or lose
their
jobs ...lol
Anyway anyone with AS email me if you want to find out about the healing process
or some other contacts, no time to waste, nice talking to you all again and when
i acheive full remission i will definately tell the tale and start up my own AS
group.
antibiotics and supplements heal AS you just have to make sure it's the right
ones
and in the right doses and lengths of time, i may start lifting weights again i
can't wait see ya all!!

A cute funny

2006-11-18 00:28:48

http://foxnews.com/views/hiers/images/111398.gif
--
Clark Signs:
http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
AP Support Group:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/
Lots of arthritis and health links:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm

DARYL:-))

2006-11-17 19:34:43

WELCOME to our group Daryl,
I'm sorry you find a need for us but I'm glad it's us you found and not some
group where *hope* does not figure as it does here<warm smile
to be the most caring and supportive group in the whole world and yes, I freely
admit, I'm biased <grin
I'm sure that by now you will have got the gist of how it works and what to
expect, all you need to do is post your questions and they will get answered.
There are a lot of very knowledgable people in this group and if by chance they
cannot give you the answer then we have a couple of doctors waiting in the wings
to take over. If it's a shoulder to lean on that's required, we supply that too
<smile
Great that you are *acting* and planning on taking your wife to a doctor
familiar with the antibiotic protocol!! I don't have anyone listed for Kentucky
and as far as I can tell the closest to you would be Nashville, Tennessee.
I can hear the group members snickering from here, as they are only too well
aware of my scant knowledge of the geography of the USA <smile
lot 'over the waters' find someone closer for Daryl!!! There are doctors in NC
and Indiana but as far as I can tell that's even further.
Obviously someone who is familiar with the protocol would be good, but it's not
actually necessary if it is just too difficult for you. As long as you can get
someone to prescribe the antibiotics for your wife then you can get all the
advice you need right here. Some members of the group have found it's much
easier to get them from their family doctor rather than the rheumy who
inevitably has blinkers on and only see down the one track.......the 'lets
suppress the immune system and cover up all the symptoms' track that gets us
nowhere but into deeper trouble !! <big frown
How wonderful for your wife that you are helping her. It's unfortunately not
something one can take for granted as there are those whose husbands cannot come
to terms with their wives illness and that's tragic. That makes you special
<warm hug
Would you care to share a little more of your wives history with us, how she is
now, what medication she is on etc. so we can better assess how we can help?
Say "hi"to her from us and give her all the stories on the web site to read , if
you haven't already done so<warm smile
hugs,
lisbeth

Chat Line

2006-11-17 13:13:55

Hey everybody, I can't connect to the chat line. What am I doing wrong
Cooky

Bride of Frankenstein

2006-11-17 11:16:59

Hello Everybody,
I've been on minocycline since 11/04/99. I hope the pain I've been feeling
all practically all over my body is because the mycoplasmas are stirred up.
There are joints hurting that haven't hurt for years; places where I had
injuries years ago. One week I hurt in my replaced hip joint in a way that
hasn't hurt for at least four years; then it went away. The latest new hurt
is in the front of my ankles; this is a strange place to hurt.
I've been extra tired too and have needed an afternoon nap most days this
week.
Picture this: When I wake up in the morning to head for the bathroom I must
look a lot like the bride of Frankenstein. First I have to steel myself in
order to stand up because I know it is going to hurt.
Then I'm waving my arms trying to catch my balance. Sometimes I fall back
on the bed; luckily I haven't fallen on my face, yet. Then I walk stiff
legged, holding my arms out for balance (unless my shoulders are frozen),
saying, "Eek, eek, ow ow ow!" all the way to the bathroom.
I haven't had inflammation except for my left ring finger. Even that is
weird in that the swelling is between the top and middle knuckle. It
doesn't seem to be in either joint. I can't bend that finger all the way.
The pain is diffused all over my body. I'm wondering if my fibromyalgia is
coming back?
I'm grateful I don't have to go to a job. I'm grateful I have a roof over
my head and healthy food in this house. I'm grateful I'm not a horse
because if I were they would have to shoot me.
I'm having a good day anyway and I have an activity tonight that I am
looking forward to. I'll be gathering with a group of friends at 8 o'clock
tonight and there will be laughs and hugs.
Blessings,
Denisej

LGS Data Links

2006-11-17 01:46:13

Hi Everybody! Geoff Crenshaw here.
Robert Root sent me the following letter (attached). It contains a
number of links for Leaky Gut Syndrome. I hope it is of help to you (and
me).
==========================
==========================

Itchy Tattoos

2006-11-16 18:19:54

I've had my tattoos for a couple of years now, but all of a sudden they are
itching? Could it be related to anything healthwise or maybe just some flukey
thing? Any ideas??
Marilynn

new subscriber

2006-11-16 06:11:34

My wife was diagnosed with Rheumatoid arthritis about three years ago. I came
upon the rheumatic.org home page while searching the net for possible helps for
her arthritis. I have just completed Dr. Brown's book "The New Arthritis
Breakthrough" and am ready to look for a doctor in our area that will use Dr.
Brown's methods of treatment. Questions:
1. Is there a list of doctors for our area? Danville, KY about 35 miles south
of Lexington, KY
2. How do we go about contacting someone who can help us?
I don't know anything about the Antibiotic Therapy Support Group mailing list.
Please enlighten me as to what we can expect.

Gramps vs. the pharmaceutical lobby

2006-11-16 03:10:40

Gramps vs. the pharmaceutical lobby
Want to watch a great fight? You've already paid the
admission fee for the heavyweight bout between the drug
industry, which spends more on lobbying than any other
industry, and the senior citizens of America, said to be the
group most feared in Washington. This one is going to be a
lulu, a true clash of titans; we could easily see someone's
ear get bitten off here.
The pharmaceutical industry spent $74.4 million lobbying in
1997 and boasts a row of killer, high-power lobbyists. In
1998, the industry gave $9.7 million to politicians
two-thirds of it to Republicans.
But, the senior citizens of America vote, and this issue is of
intense concern to them. Biff-bam-pow! It's a dream
duke-out; it's political fisticuffs at its finest.
President Clinton's proposal to put drug costs for the elderly
on the Medicare tab will take time to play out it will cost
some $40 billion a year, and they don't spend that kind of
money in Washington without a long discussion. But there's
a nifty bill by Rep. Tom Allen, D-Maine, (and a similar one
by Democrat Jim Turner of Texas) that should get straight to
the heart of the matter.
Instead of having the government pick up the tab for seniors'
drugs, Allen wants Medicare to function as a bulk buyer, so
that seniors will get the same discounts available to what
the industry calls "favored customers." The only losers
would be the drug companies and are they steamed.
In the single funniest news release of last year, the
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America,
the industry lobby, described Allen's bill as a "dagger
pointed at the hearts of America's senior citizens." Right. A
dagger. Pointed at seniors.
By creating a single buyer to act on behalf of the uninsured
elderly, the federal government could negotiate cost
reductions of up to 50 percent, Allen says. The cost
disparities for drugs are so gross that the more you study
them, the more confounded you become.
Medicare does not cover the cost of prescription drugs,
except in a few cases. Seniors who buy their own medicine
are paying double what health maintenance organizations,
hospitals, insurance companies, the Veterans Affairs folks
and other bulk buyers pay.
The House Government Reform and Oversight Committee
conducted studies in 20 congressional districts last summer
to find out how great the disparities were. In the case of
Synthroid, a common hormone treatment, they found the
monthly retail cost to seniors was $27.05 1,446 percent
more than the $1.75 paid by favored group purchasers.
Senior citizens are being crushed by drug bills. The elderly
make up 14 percent of the population, but they consume 30
percent of the prescription drugs.
Of course, many seniors purchase Medigap insurance
precisely because of huge drug bills, but even the best
policy pays for only half the cost of prescriptions and has a
$250 deductible. Those who are too poor to afford even
Medigap insurance wind up paying full price.
Allen says the heart-breaking stories come in by the
dozens: people whose health is breaking down because
they can afford to take only half the recommended dosage of
their prescriptions, wives who forgo medication because their
husbands are sicker and it's more important that they have
the medicine.
The drug companies don't sell at a discount just to outfits
like the VA they also sell their drugs cheaper in foreign
countries. The House study found Canadians paying 72
percent less than Americans and Mexicans 102 percent
less. Of course, this has led to geezer drug smugglers. The
Drug Enforcement Administration is not enthusiastic about
busting Granny for Zantac.
Meanwhile, drug company profits are enormous; the annual
profits of the 10 leading drug companies were $20 billion in
'97, according to Forbes magazine. They showed an
operating profit margin of 28.7 percent three times as
much as Procter & Gamble and Colgate-Palmolive.
The House study showed that the profits are directly related
to discriminatory pricing. Merck & Co. had 15 percent
increases in both the second and third quarters of '98, and
industry analysts attribute the jump in large part to sales of
Zocor a cholesterol medicine that sells for 144 percent
more retail than to bulk buyers. Zocor accounted for 6
percent of Merck's revenues, according to the National
Journal.
Molly Ivins writes for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Sunday, Feb 7,1999
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James Coburn and MSM

2006-11-15 23:32:32

Interesting story here about James Coburn the actor and his RA and how he
treated it with MSM. http://www.worldimage.com/news/msmcoburn.html
Mark
RA 4/98 A/P 7/98
Mino (100mg/2x/daily)
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RA Chat: http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes/RA/ra.html
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attachment

2006-11-15 13:57:44

Sarah said: "Attached is something Ray sent me to scan. Its rtf format and will
open with Wordpad or any word"...
Sarah, I get the digest form of the list and that form of the list doesn't seem
to allow attachments. Would you mind sending me the above to mholmes@...?
Thanks!
Mark
RA 4/98 A/P 7/98
Mino (100mg/2x/daily)
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RA Chat: http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes/RA/ra.html
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chat

2006-11-15 13:17:43

Hello all,
Does anyone visit Mark's chat site anymore? If so, what time do you
usually visit there???
Leslie

Calling cards to print

2006-11-15 02:11:48

Ive added two pdf files that each consist of one page with 10 AP calling cards
on them. They are
just about identical but the larger one is a little better quality and truer
color to the original.
Everyone can open and print a pdf file if you have the free Adobe Acrobat
Reader. Ive added a link
for that too. If you install it, it will open the file in your browser or with a
right click you can
download it and open in the Acrobat Reader later on.
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/supportlinks.htm#callingcard
Sarah
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hair loss

2006-11-14 23:42:05

HI Mike,
I have a head full of new hair since switching to the doxi from mincocin.
My hair is the show piece of the beautyshop becasue they have never seen so
much regrowth in such a short time. I had been losing hair by the handfuls
when I was on mincoin. But I have a lot more pain since I switched...
Leslie

HMO profits rise, service falls

2006-11-14 15:18:26

HMOs profiting from higher premiums
Web posted on:
Friday, February 26, 1999 12:16:40 PM EST
NEW YORK (AP) -- After years of
anemic stock growth and flat earnings,
HMOs are starting to please Wall Street
again -- and they are doing it by raising
premiums.
By raising premiums and squeezing
reimbursement rates to doctors and
hospitals, the nation's largest health
maintenance organizations increased profits in the fourth
quarter. Aetna-U.S.
Healthcare, United Healthcare and PacifiCare all beat earnings
expectations
this month.
"This is the year where we finally are seeing a recovery in
the managed care
field," said Joel Ray, an analyst with Wheat First Union in
Richmond, Virginia.
"What's driving it is very simple: We finally have premium
increases outpacing
medical inflation."
HMOs have finally stopped sacrificing profits to add members,
instead enacting
rate increases by an average of 5 percent to 10 percent in
recent months.
During the previous three years, HMOs kept rates virtually
flat as an effort to
attract new members while their medical costs were rising.
As a result, HMO profits have fallen steadily since 1994. Most
HMOs lost
money in 1996 and 1997, according to InterStudy, which tracks
HMO trends.
On Thursday, Oxford Health Plans became the latest large HMO
to beat Wall
Street estimates, even though it continued to lose money.
Once the darling of HMO investors, Norwalk, Connecticut-based
Oxford
trimmed its fourth-quarter loss to $19 million from $285
million a year ago.
Oxford, which has 1.7 million members, narrowed its losses by
quitting several
unprofitable Medicaid markets and raising rates an average of
10 percent.
HMOs drop money-losing Medicare coverage
HMO profits should rise even more this year because many plans
reduced
money-losing coverage of Medicare enrollees starting January
1.
The industry has largely abandoned Medicare, saying the
federal government no
longer provides them adequate fees to care for the seniors.
About 440,000
seniors had to change health plans or return to traditional
Medicare because
their plan left Medicare as this year began.
The change in tactics isn't pleasing consumer advocates, who
complain about
rising health care costs after years of assailing HMOs about
the quality of care.
Employers have accepted the higher premiums from HMOs this
year largely
because many have not faced significant rate increases since
1994. Employers
expect health plans to raise rates by at least 8 percent this
year.
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Rheumatic

2006-11-14 11:23:06

Dear Subscribers,
I just talked to an infectious disease specialist about testing my husband
for mycoplasma, strep, brucella, and tuberculosis as it said to have done in Dr.
Brown's book. He told me that just because you have the immune complexes in
your body, and he was not real definite if you would have them being on
prednisone and methotrexate, did not mean that you have the organism or a
disease caused by the organism. Well I already knew this but how do I convince
him that it should be done? My husband had an infected wisdom tooth and took
penicillin for it and developed pleurisy within a week. My husband had a
positive reaction to a TB skin test when he first became ill with pleurisy
before he started on the prednisone, and it wasn't until after he started on
prednisone that he had joint swelling. Within 2 days he couldn't get out of his
chair! Does anyone know if these tests would even be valid being on these
medicines?
Sincerely,
Elizabeth

48 Hours Program

2006-11-14 10:46:26

For any of you who get the CBS network on your tv, I saw a promo for 48
Hours for next week (Thursday, March 4) and the topic is "Living with
Pain". Might have something interesting in it.
Paula

Commencement Oration]

2006-11-13 22:16:06

Group,
Some food for thought.
jan perdue

what is rare?

2006-11-13 19:31:31

I have a new appreciation for the term "rare." I have a "rare"
disease, dermatomyositis, which strikes approximately 5 people in each
million each year. (my kids say I should by a lottery ticket, but I've
probably used up my chance already). When I was taking the NSAID,
Relafen, I thought my stomach would not be adversley affected because
Relafen is on the low end of the chart as far as causing gastric
irritation is concerned. Well, guess who's stomach was irritated by the
Relafen? To me, "rare" means "don't be surprised."
Oh well, I AM getting better and that's not a rarity around here in this
group! :-)
take care,
Connie

rxlist url

2006-11-13 13:38:16

http://www.rxlist.com/
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&lt;no subject&gt;

2006-11-13 01:55:10

Hello Mark,
When I hit "reply" in response to your posting, I get the following:
MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.)
I wish I could help you out with this, but I'm a novice with e-mail and the
internet. Meanwhile, if I want to contact you, I'll send it to the whole
group.
Good luck,
Kari

Minocin = hair loss?

2006-11-12 21:51:23

I've been on Minocin for 4.5 months and am losing hair on the top of my
head. Being 32 years old, I figured it might just be genetic...
After reading a few related posts, here is my question:
Does the hair grow back when you stop the minocin??!?
THANKS,
Mike

Mycoplasma story

2006-11-12 18:58:04

Attached is something Ray sent me to scan. Its rtf format and will open with
Wordpad or any word
processor. I will get it up on the support site too.
Sarah
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Set-Back...

2006-11-12 12:20:09

Hi all, Maria here. Yes, I'm having a set back. I guess it's my "step back".
It's been so long since I've had one, that I need your guys help in telling me
what to do! I'm sore, I'm VERY tired, and I just can't do anything, I have no
gumption. I get lots of headaches, and want to eat all day long. Also, my
mood swings are unreal. No, they're not. Yes, they are. See, there I go
again. Ugh. I'm on 30 mg Prednisone, so my face is hairy, because that's
what 30 mg does to me! It's never affected my moods before at this level, but
maybe it is now. I have Chushings syndrome from the Prednisone (when you get,
I'll call it "pleasantly plump" in certain spots) and it hurts, which it
hardly ever has before. My skin hurts, and I WANT CHOCOLATE. OK, I feel
better. Doesn't it just feel good to complain sometimes to people who
understand? Thank you so much for reading this. I'll send my cyber-broom
over to you to clean up the big dumb of complaining that I just laid on of
you. Here it comes... SWEEP. OK, done, I feel better and I cleaned up my
mess. Can you tell I'm an emotional wreck right now? My husband just doesn't
know what to do with me. He gives me these sad puppy-eyed looks and just hugs
me while I'm loosing my mind because the dog is looking at me ALL the time and
the drain in the sink is dripping and that pencil just KEEPS rolling of the
counter EVERY time I put it down and I'm having a bad hair day (Just can't get
that mustache to look quite right). OK, enough. I'm done complaining for
real now, I feel much better. Thanks!
Nutty for now, and foggy as ever,
Maria

Normal ASO titer level? (strep)

2006-11-12 09:13:11

Well, the recent posting generated about 7 different normal levels: from 0
to 10,000 (yes, one person e-mailed me 10,000).
Any more experienced people out there know the answer?
3 thought <20
2 thought <200
1 thought <1000
1 thought <10,000

Switch from Minocin to Erythromycin?

2006-11-11 20:08:03

Has anyone here switched from Minocin to Erythromycin?
I'm switching to Erybid (Erythromycin) M/W/F - from minocin. Does anyone
know the impact on Mycoplasma Pneumonia?
Thanks,
Mike

Advice, if you don't mind

2006-11-11 19:02:23

Susan wrote:" ...I've been wheat and gluten and sugar and fat free and dairy and
meat free for four
years, though I am consulting someone else because Iheard that olive oil is
good for you and literaly no fat is bad. "
Susan - would you mind sharing what a typical day's meals would be on this diet?
Or a few days? I hear so much about everyone being off of all these things, so
I'd like to see what everyone is eating. Might make it easier to get on the
diet myself?
Thanks,
Mark
RA 4/98 A/P 7/98
Mino (100mg/2x/daily)
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chlamydia and heart disease

2006-11-11 09:33:15

I just heard a report on the radio that some Toronto research doctors have
proven that chlamydia can cause heart disease. Apparently everyone has
chlamydia in the white blood cells. But only some people get heart disease.
They think it is because our immune systems don't always see the same parts of
the chlamydia organism. For example, there is one part that resembles a protein
in our heart tissue. If the immune system "sees" that part, then when the
attack against the chlamydia begins, the heart protein will also be attacked.
Because chlamydia is found in most people and is spread so easily through
coughing and sneezing, researchers say it is really frightening what the
implications can be.
I can't help wondering if the immune response explained above also happens with
mycoplasma and rheumatic diseases? First ulcers, now heart disease have been
found to be caused by bacteria. Perhpas the proof for rheumatic diseases will
be next on the list.
Linda

hello from mexico

2006-11-11 03:36:25

Good night for everyone in here or good day there.
Maria thanks for your comments they are really nice hope we started a new
frienship here.And if you need something don`t stop just let me know.
Aswering your question I`m almost 32 I have RA since I was 29 I`m taking
methotexatre since two months ago and some analgesic I really don`t remember the
name right now,and I`m begging to feel much better.I`really afraid and have a
lot of doubts about the A.Therapy but maybe I must do it right away (take the
right decision or somehing but right now).Even if I hear everyday all the good
news about the therapy.I don`t now what I`m expecting.
I live 28 years in Mexico City and I love my city (even if there are so many
problems with the goverment,the people,the violence etc I still love it) but now
I live 45 minutes from Mexico in a city named Cuernavaca (I don`t like it:the
weather,for me is too hot,the insects,the people,is incredible that we are so
near to the big city and they are so far from them in everything but anyway I
have to live here because of my parents,they have a clinic laboratory, and the
most important reason is because my baby (one year and 6 months)has other kind
of life ( no pollution,birds,flowers in one word nature life and no dangers for
him)I don`t care if I have to sacrifise my way of life and finally the most
important thing I`m close to my city.If I need something I just take my baby,my
car and I go for it, or to see my MD.So this is it.
After this story.Have everyone a nice day.Hugs.Rocio

myrna]

2006-11-11 03:16:22

Group,
Can anyone help this lady???
Thanks,
jan perdue

antibiotics

2006-11-10 18:27:38

Have you visited the support group web site, www.rheumatic.org? If you
haven't, there is a wealth of information there about the antibiotic
treatment of RA and lots of personal success stories too. I believe Dr.
Brown put many people into remission with this treatment, and while I
haven't been "cured" It has certainly given me my life back and I do not
take any of the dangerous traditional drugs or any pain relievers any more.
I was diagnosed nearly 2 years ago, the disease came on very fast and very
strong. It was only a matter of months before I was almost completely
invalid and dependant on others. I couldn't dress or bathe myself,
couldn't brush my own hair, couldn't hardly walk myself to the bathroom,
had to fall down onto the toilet and use a cane to get back up, couldn't
open a door. I was in so much pain. Every step felt like walking on
glass. I started on 100mg of doxycycline 3 days a week in December 97. It
was 3 months before I saw my first breakthrough. I was just about to give
up hope when I realized that I was no longer falling onto the toilet, I was
sitting! This was a big accomplishment to me. I got progressively better,
then after 6 months, I didn't feel like I was improving any more. My doc
increased the dosage to 100mg twice a day, 3 times a week. That was just
the boost I needed. I got so much better, I was able to take care of
myself again, cook for my family again, redecorated my daughter's room,
helped paint the house, mowed the lawn, etc. I don't know what happened to
that cane. During all this time I had been taking various nsaids also, but
I slowly weaned them down to one over the counter Naprosyn at bedtime.
Late last year, our family moved cross country and I was without my
doxycycline for 2 months. I went downhill, back to where I was when I'd
been taking only a single dose of the antibiotic, and my pain increased to
where I was taking pain meds round the clock again. When I got back on the
antibiotics, I also started taking MSM. I am happy to say that I am about
85% recovered (as in 85% of completely restored to health) and while I may
have done irreversible damage to my feet while off the antibiotics, and my
hands and knees may not be strong, I am so grateful for the things I can
do, and by the way, I take NO pain medication of any kind any more.
I have to add that I think I could be 95% if my doc would have been willing
to do the clindimyacin IV's.
My advise? GO FOR IT!! Check out the diet info too, it can really help
too.
Sherry

SURGERY may raise brain disease risk

2006-11-10 16:17:58

http://www.msnbc.com/news/244647.asp
aol click here <A HREF="http://www.msnbc.com/news/244647.asp"
raise brain disease risk</A

Advice, if you don't mind

2006-11-10 05:12:11

Hi all.
I need advice. My RF went up recently to 320 from 180 or so and my sed rate is
still normal. (Only one abnormal reading one month ago of 32). I have had a
positive test for 4 years and only minimal symptoms, controlled I believe by
my diet and many supplements.My first and recent flare was triggered by an
allergy to Prosac which does cause RA as a rare side effect! I knew I
shouldn't take it but the doc said it never happened in his experience. Any
way, the stuff is getting outof my blood slowly (PRosac has a long half life)
and my symptoms are going away. Also my RF has dropped 30 points. I wonder if
I should do antibiotics if I continue to do okay without them. MY doctor says
there's nothing to treat now. If I flare again, he'll give them to me.
During these four years I've only had one wrist hurt and then heal, and a few
sore fingers. I have had achilles tendonitis and now bursitis in Right
shoulder but that came from weight lifting when I had a slight discomfort
there. (I forged ahead anyway). Doc says its non RA related.
I believe in the AP but I don't know if its time yet. I want to wait and see
if I get another flare. Then I'll go for it, but if diet alone does it...I've
been wheat and gluten and sugar and fat free and dairy and meat free for four
years, though I am consulting someone else because Iheard that olive oil is
good for you and literaly no fat is bad.
I am seeing an osteopathic doctor who treats arthritis with herbs and food
etc. Does anyone know the difference in training/orientation tween MDS. and
DOs?
Anyway...lots of questions and you are all experts. Please advise.
And I am so glad you're all on the road back. RA is not pretty.
Feel good.
Susan
(sorry for typos, my shoulder hurts and I shouldn't be doing this).

Another cry for help

2006-11-09 18:56:42

Here is someone else who needs our help. I answered her best I could but many of
you have so much
more experience than I with this.

hello from mexico

2006-11-09 18:13:30

Hello everyone.I live in mexico if you need some help with those how are near or
live in mexico just let me know.please.
Paula:thank you for your quick response but i do insist because i love it,i do
have it but i ca`nt copy to another e-mail or maybe i don`t know how to do
it.could someone help me and tell me how to take it away and copy in another
e-mail or in a floppy A:thank you very much.Rocio

New D.P.treet-treatment found

2006-11-09 09:52:08

Ladies and gentlemen in rheumatic org., I can report a 100% success rate
that I have been enjoying over the past four months on this new D.P.
treatment program. I can honestly tell you that in my case, I have
effectively used it to lower my blood pressure 30 points, improve the
oxygen level in my lungs by ridding them of usless garbage, and my
vision has returned to 20/20 because I am now FOCUSING ON THE MAIN ISSUE
OF THIS ORGANIZATION WHICH IS TO HELP PEOPLE (GOD'S COMMAND) AND NOT
DEGRADE THEM. YES, WHEN I FOUND THE D.P. TREATMENT (DELETE PROTOCOL).
AND LEARNED HOW TO USE IT IN THE CORRECT DOSES (EVERY TIME I SEE CERTAIN
MICRO-ORGANISMS IN MY E-MAIL) MY PERSPECTIVE CHANGED. I NOW FEEL LIKE A
NEW PERSON. I can not say this will work for 10 million people who are
members of this group. Not everyone suffers from the same illness that
I did. However, if your symptoms are similar to mine, I suggest you
follow my procedure, and HIT THE DELETE BUTTON BEFORE YOU READ. I HIT
IT 15 TIMES TONIGHT. MAN DO I FEEL BETTER.
Robert, (Ceci's dad) in Chattanooga, TN

Ophra.....flossing your teeth....

2006-11-08 23:46:44

Ok,
I have to love this one. I am the worst when it comes to flossing and since my
mouth tightened up back in Oct. 97 I have even a worse time doing it but.....I
just got the motivation from Oprah today.
She was interviewing a man that believes we have two ages. One biological and
one health wise. Big surprise there. Anyway he was mentioning things to reduce
your health age if it is higher than your actual birth date. Like say when your
35 and your health habits make you 65.
Anyway....she asked why flossing would help and he said, "when your teeth have
bacteria on them, i.e.: plaque, your immune system starts kicking in thus
causing it to work on that when it has other things more important to deal
with." In other words it puts undue stress on the immune system.
If that's the case my husband should be in a wheelchair.
Mind you this guy said Marriage is good for your health too.
Everybody polka......
xoxo
Donna
Ottawa, Canada
Scleroderma, Raynaud's 01/95, AP 10/97
(My Story) www.compmore.net/~donray

newbie in Mexico

2006-11-08 21:26:11

Hi Everyone,
Yesterday I got an Email from Jan Payne. She and her boyfriend Scott are
fron Mexico. He has RA and she is the one who can communicate on the
E-mail. She